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Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by kibwen on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @04:53PM (#26095299)
It's a bit naive to think that Microsoft's argument there wasn't just them grasping at straws at any attempt to avoid anti-trust regulation. History has shown that Microsoft themselves would happily jump at the chance to stuff their own pockets by pre-installing crapware on your computer, as evidenced by all the junk and ads on even fresh installs of modern Windows. Remember the Candy Crush auto-install debacle? https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-steer-clear-of-windows-...
Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by jonas21 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:08PM (#26105765)
The Candy Crush thing happened two decades after the Microsoft antitrust case (the suit was filed in 1998 and settled in 2002). It's dumb, but it would be a stretch to argue that Microsoft would have done the same thing if they had been allowed to control what shipped with Windows for the previous 20 years.

Back in the day, if you bought Windows directly from Microsoft, you'd get a pretty clean OS without too much bloat. I guess there were things like Minesweeper and Solitaire -- but those were apparently added to help people become proficient at using a mouse back when this was novel.

Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by beagle3 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:51AM (#26099256)
Indeed. I bought a Lenovo laptop from the online Microsoft store in early 2011 (or late 2010).

One if the offered extras was “Microsoft signature” optimized install that sounded like it came with extra stuff. As I was going to install Linux anyway, I declined.

Then I received the laptop which somehow did have “signature” set-up, so I looked into it: it was basically just pristine windows setup without crapware; Apparently, that’s the only thing they were selling at the time, but were welling to take extra money from people who didn’t want crapware.

Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by csharptwdec19 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @08:36AM (#26101317)
I somehow remember 'clean installs' being an option with retail Microsoft stores; In fact at one point I think it was the norm.
Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by criley2 on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @08:09PM (#26097012)
I mean, what Microsoft did pales in comparison to Apple's standard business model. How many third party apps have been driven out of business by Apple's preferred first party copy? We still cannot run anything but Safari (or an older, less-featured, reskinned Safari) on iOS.

Anti-trust is a joke and holding Microsoft accountable for 1/10th of today's standard operating procedure was ridiculous.

Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by kibwen on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @08:55PM (#26097340)
Anti-trust is only a joke in the sense that it doesn't get wielded enough. No more of these enormous companies forming unaccountable pseudo-governments of their own. Break them up and let the fragments enliven the market with their revitalized sense of competition. Then, when a victor emerges fat and complacent, break them up again and begin the cycle anew.
Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by toast0 on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:19PM (#26097493)
Apple's market share also pales in comparison with Microsoft's.

I'm pretty sure Apple never made anyone selling an iPhone pay them for an iOS license on all the phones they sell.

That's not to say Apple's conduct isn't egregious, but the context isn't the same either.

Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by franga2000 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @04:29AM (#26099748)
> I'm pretty sure Apple never made anyone selling an iPhone pay them for an iOS license on all the phones they sell.

That's a wildly different situation. Of course Microsoft charges hardware vendors for Windows licenses - we have to pay for them too! Windows is Microsoft's main product - should they be giving away licenses to vendors?!? (I'm ignoring the underlying issue of sell vs produce here, because it's such a clear fallacy it's not even worth explaining)

Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by toast0 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @12:08PM (#26104148)
Microsoft was charging vendors for Windows licenses per computer; even computers that were sold without Windows.
Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by franga2000 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @12:15PM (#26104242)
Huh, I've never heard of that...
Re:Viral 'I'm not a cat' filter is decades-old software by toast0 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:40PM (#26106113)
It was a sizable part of the big Microsoft anti-trust case. And also an earlier case except for MS-DOS instead of Windows.