Re:Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thin...
by yters on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @09:12PM
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Well that's the problem with all proofs. If the premises are false the proof is not sound. That doesn't preclude the proof being tight, i.e. as in well reasoned and logically argued. Outside of mathematics you will be hard pressed to find a proof where someone doesn't disagree with a premise or two. And even within math we have intuitionists and constructivists claiming things like proof by negation is invalid. So if your criterion for solid proof is one that everyone agrees with, you are bound to be perpetually disappointed. On the other hand if your criterion is proofs that highly intelligent people find convincing after fully understanding the argument, then I again submit to you the ontological argument which even Russell claimed was sound at one point in his life before walking that back and saying it is wrong for some unknown reason.
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Re:Pseudophilosophy encourages confused, self-indulgent thin...
by dragonwriter on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @11:26AM
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> Well that's the problem with all proofs
No, its the problem with pure logical proofs, which is why for statements about reality rather than abstract relations of concepts, empirical proofs (despite being less absolute) are generally preferred.
> the ontological argument
Since you have merely waved at and sketched the argument, let me do the same it's demolition: existence is not a predicate.