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Re:Making Sense of the Audio Stack on Unix by hctaw on Sunday February 07, 2021 @06:22PM (#26059175)
More fragmentation is not the solution to current fragmentation...
Re:Making Sense of the Audio Stack on Unix by atoav on Monday February 08, 2021 @02:50AM (#26061846)
While I usually would say the same, as I understood pipewire they are trying to create a unifying abstraction layer with a stable API that handles the underlying cruft.

While I would have wished for a good clean solution from the start, the state of the current Linux Audio stack doesn't IMO really allow for such a solution without breaking every program ever.

If Linux Audio needs one thing it would be something that handles the weird relationships between ALSA/Pulseaudio/Jack in a clear and automatic fashion. Because as for now I have seen Linux Sysadmins with 30 years of experience tear their hair out because they couldn't wrap their head around Linux Audio.

Build a blackbox around it and try to rework it on the inside.

Re:Making Sense of the Audio Stack on Unix by cycloptic on Sunday February 07, 2021 @06:35PM (#26059259)
I'm not sure what you mean. Pipewire goes out of its way to have ABI compatibility, so all your old applications using Pulse/Jack will just work.
Re:Making Sense of the Audio Stack on Unix by account42 on Monday February 08, 2021 @09:41AM (#26065057)
What about ALSA or OSS applications?
Re:Making Sense of the Audio Stack on Unix by cycloptic on Monday February 08, 2021 @03:02PM (#26069369)
I believe there is a pipewire ALSA module, and for OSS there are (were?) numerous ways to get that emulated in ALSA.
Re:Making Sense of the Audio Stack on Unix by account42 on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @03:42AM (#26075216)
Ok so it should not be worse than pre-PipeWire at least. Too bad Linux can't just make /dev/dsp be usable by multiple applications like the *BSDs managed.