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Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by kofejnik on Sunday February 07, 2021 @04:41PM (#26058465)
> Steroid ladden/extreme body building one is probably not healthy.

Steroids are not necessarily always bad, tho taking your body to the extremes of competitive bodybuilding probably is.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by belly_joe on Sunday February 07, 2021 @05:06PM (#26058675)
I agree with this broadly.

I find it interesting that most of my friends/social set will (rightly) dismiss "high school health class" fearmongering over drugs, but when that drug is anabolic steroids suddenly every warning is true.

It seems reasonable to me that the same skepticism applied to claims about any drug's danger - claims which frankly derive from government sources interested primarily in social engineering - should also be applied to steroids.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by linspace on Sunday February 07, 2021 @06:00PM (#26059038)
My reasoning is the following, and as someone who likes to do weight lifting I would love to be proved wrong: if steroids are not necessarily bad and we surely know they work wonders how is it possible that, in a world obsessed with looks and moving so much money in all kind of (absurd) products, they have not been legally commercialized somehow.
Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by kkielhofner on Sunday February 07, 2021 @08:21PM (#26059804)
They absolutely have been legally commercialized. In the United States (and presumably elsewhere) you can easily find a doctor who will legally prescribe you a host of steroids, growth hormones, and various other "anti-aging medications".

My understanding is that many of them don't do bloodwork to test existing hormone levels and many that do use very liberal interpretations of what standard levels in men should be at a given age, etc.

Think of the "pill mills" that lead to the opiod crisis where as long as you had the cash someone would write a prescription. Note that I'm not insinuating similar levels of risk or harm, merely pointing out the flexibility of medical ethics for some doctors in these areas.

Use your favorite search engine and search "anti-aging clinic". They're in many US cities, available online, and a popular medical tourism destination.

EDIT: I also suspect these kinds of medical "interventions" are prevalent in Hollywood and elsewhere. For example, Hugh Jackman in Wolverine. This guy was born in 1968, which puts him at ~44 years old during filming. Look at his physique as a 44 year old man and tell me that was just from broccoli and chicken (especially considering his physique in roles leading up to Wolverine).

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that the chances that so many of these mid to late 40s Hollywood actors have a physique that would be excellent on a 20-25 year old isn't likely due to just freak genetics, diet, and hard work at the gym. Especially when the budgets of these films can easily exceed $100 million.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by robocat on Sunday February 07, 2021 @10:44PM (#26060549)
> medical "interventions" are prevalent in Hollywood and elsewhere. For example, Hugh Jackman

Another factor is that there is relentless competition from a huge number of people trying to become a famous star: severe filtering that will select for intensely driven people (amongst other attributes that would drive someone towards interventions).

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by kofejnik on Sunday February 07, 2021 @07:42PM (#26059587)
Same as why vodka is legal but mdma isn't: deeply entrenched interests, on both sides. Listen, kids: All Steroids Are Bad, and anybody who disagrees is a Bad Person, and probably a criminal.
Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by linspace on Monday February 08, 2021 @04:36AM (#26062453)
But that is exactly my point: we have legalized lot of substances bad for health and yet we cannot buy steroids freely. Steroids have at least an upside compared to vodka.
Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by samatman on Sunday February 07, 2021 @06:28PM (#26059224)
We could ask this question about almost every substance which has been declared illegal.

Indeed, we should.

I don't use androgenic steroids, but I'm right on the cliff where natural levels start falling off, and once I'm over it, I will give it some serious consideration.

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by linspace on Monday February 08, 2021 @04:40AM (#26062484)
I don't discard also using them in the future to some extent slow aging effects but it's hard to find good info.
Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by kridsdale1 on Monday February 08, 2021 @06:32PM (#26071842)
The Reddit community's Wiki is very good.

https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by tedunangst on Sunday February 07, 2021 @08:27PM (#26059838)
Just go to an "anti-aging" clinic and get testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). For $1000/month it's not hard to find a doctor who will find your test is low (below 95th percentile of a 25 year old man).
Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by porb121 on Monday February 08, 2021 @04:04AM (#26062247)
there are lots of anabolic agents that should absolutely be controlled.

trenbolone and other 19-nor substances are neurotoxic and thrash your internal organs.

fatburners like clenbuterol or dnp are uh, not good.

insulin (which is massively anabolic, btw) can kill you very easily if you mis-time your meals.

growth hormone enlarges organs at supraphysiological doses

Re:The Feminine Physique: On Women's Bodybuilding by DoreenMichele on Sunday February 07, 2021 @06:34PM (#26059254)
Vitamin D is technically a steroid, not a vitamin. You can also do nutritional support for hormone-producing organs in the body. Off the top of my head/anecdotally: Peanuts have proven to be good pituitary support (though they are pro-inflammatory and I have to limit them for that reason); good quality salt is important to the adrenals and adrenal support is important to thyroid health.

I probably know more than that and haven't paid that much attention to hormones per se, so I imagine if this interests you, you could figure out a whole lot more from readily available information on the internet.