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Re:Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps... by stale2002 on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:45PM (#26040949)
> what problem would open platforms solve?

If it was easier for people to sideload apps, or there were many competing app stores, then people could get around theses bans more easily.

For example, if I could go to any website, on an iphone, and install an app very easily (Assume I choose to do so, via some setting), then it wouldn't matter as much if Apple banned the app from the app store.

> whats stopping a country from simply blocking their hosting servers?

They could do that, but if it was easy to install apps on a phone, then it would be very difficult for a country to block every website that hosts the app.

> . Okay, so then you move to a P2P system, so then the get their ISPs to block that

Governments are not infinitely powerful. An efforts to get around government internet censorship, sometimes work.

And the more methods there are of circumventing government censorship, the easier it is to do so.

Censorship has an effect. But it is not perfect. There is a spectrum of behavior, where it can be easier or harder to get around censorship.

Re:Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps... by passivate on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:13PM (#26041891)
You can't reasonably expect a government to welcome a business into their country, while the business is working against the interests of said government. Apple and Google are businesses who operate in various countries with the objective of making money.

I still don't see why a tech company in the US should be in charge of engineering social behavior around the world. In my opinion, this is a dangerous path.

Re:Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps... by stale2002 on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:37PM (#26042105)
> You can't reasonably expect a government to welcome a business into their country

But the country already allows "unlocked" PCs to be sold in the country.

It is already allowing people to purchase devices that could work against the country.

> should be in charge of engineering social behavior

Intel is already selling PCs though.

Why is it so crazy to suggest that phone companies should act more like what intel is already doing, by selling unlocked electronics?

> In my opinion, this is a dangerous path.

So you think that any company that is selling unlocked devices, is going down a dangerous path? Really?

Re:Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps... by passivate on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:46PM (#26042194)
>It is already allowing people to purchase devices that could work against the country.

Because they made a mistake once, they should make it twice? Well, that isn't likely to convince them!

>Why is it so crazy to suggest that phone companies should act more like what intel is already doing, by selling unlocked electronics?

You seem to be really passionate about this, and somehow think that I oppose open platforms. I never said that, and I don't.

>So you think that any company that is selling unlocked devices, is going down a dangerous path? Really?

No, I don't think that. Please stop putting words in my mouth. This is simply not a good faith conversation. I'm out.. sorry.

Re:Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps... by stale2002 on Friday February 05, 2021 @07:22PM (#26042911)
> Because they made a mistake once, they should make it twice?

What I am saying is that you are suggesting an extraordinary measure. In the same way that banning all PCs is an extraordinary measure.

Such a measure would have wide reaching consequences, and large costs. Most governments are not completely irrational. They respond to incentives, and if something is very difficult to do, then they are going to be less likely to do it.

And making all phones illegal, sounds like something that would be more difficult to do, than banning a couple app stores.

> No, I don't think that.

Ok cool. So then if the phone manufactures made it so their phones were all unlocked, which is what I am recommending that they do, then you would not say that this is going down a dangerous path.

Got it. You agree with my original position that they should sell unlocked devices.