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Re:Homebrew 3.0 by loeg on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:40AM (#26037479)
> This means that all users on the system share the same MacPorts software. This has an additional impact that it means that it requires privilege to install software there.

> Homebrew, on the other hand, uses the system toolchain and tries to avoid using root.

What? Homebrew wants you to change ownership of /usr/local to your individual user and refuses to run without doing so. How is that any different as far "as all users on the system share the same software?"

Re:Homebrew 3.0 by banana_giraffe on Friday February 05, 2021 @12:41PM (#26038943)
> Homebrew wants you to change ownership of /usr/local to your individual user

If I read homebrew's install.sh correctly, it changes ownership of a few directories under /usr/local, not /usr/local itself (on x86, on ARM it follows a different path). This matches how my current Mac, which has brew, is currently setup as well.

    # Required installation paths. To install elsewhere (which is unsupported)
    # you can untar https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/tarball/master
    # anywhere you like.
    ...
        # On Intel macOS, this script installs to /usr/local only
        HOMEBREW_PREFIX="/usr/local"
    ...
    directories=(bin etc include lib sbin share opt var
                 Frameworks
                 etc/bash_completion.d lib/pkgconfig
                 share/aclocal share/doc share/info share/locale share/man
                 share/man/man1 share/man/man2 share/man/man3 share/man/man4
                 share/man/man5 share/man/man6 share/man/man7 share/man/man8
                 var/log var/homebrew var/homebrew/linked
                 bin/brew)
    group_chmods=()
    for dir in "${directories[@]}"; do
      if exists_but_not_writable "${HOMEBREW_PREFIX}/${dir}"; then
        group_chmods+=("${HOMEBREW_PREFIX}/${dir}")
      fi
    done
    ... and further on, after some checks, group_chmods turns into chowns ...
    if [[ "${#chowns[@]}" -gt 0 ]]; then
      ohai "The following existing directories will have their owner set to ${tty_underline}${USER}${tty_reset}:"
      printf "%s\n" "${chowns[@]}"
    fi
Re:Homebrew 3.0 by anaerobicover on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:35PM (#26039647)
Parent's information is outdated, but originally/historically Homebrew did want you to chown /usr/local
Re:Homebrew 3.0 by anaerobicover on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:28PM (#26041448)
Actually (I can't edit the original comment anymore) it looks like they were still recommending this as recently as last year?? https://discourse.brew.sh/t/permission-problems/3011/29

Haven't used Homebrew in quite a time, so I'm not sure.

Re:Homebrew 3.0 by loeg on Saturday February 06, 2021 @12:49PM (#26048287)
As recently as like, 1-3 months ago, yeah? I would have tried to install homebrew for the first time sometime December 2020 or later.
Re:Homebrew 3.0 by dylan604 on Friday February 05, 2021 @11:12AM (#26037838)
Huh? I'm on Big Sur running homebrew.

'ls -l /usr' reveals that /usr/local is root:wheel just like all other folders under /usr. How exactly is homebrew changing ownership?

Re:Homebrew 3.0 by loeg on Friday February 05, 2021 @11:23AM (#26037961)
Any chance you're on Apple Silicon? For some reason homebrew uses /usr/local on Intel macs and /opt/homebrew on ARM macs.

Anyway, this requirement is well documented and not new:

https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/issues?q=is%3Aissue+%2Fusr%...

http://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/docs/Installatio...

Homebrew asks users (on Intel macs) to change the ownership of /usr/local to their local user. And it refuses to run under sudo.

Re:Homebrew 3.0 by djrogers on Friday February 05, 2021 @12:16PM (#26038618)
> Homebrew asks users (on Intel macs) to change the ownership of /usr/local to their local user.

Nope - intel Mac on Big Sur:

drogers@SJCMACJDYMD6M ~ % ls -l /usr

[snip]

drwxr-xr-x 15 root wheel 480 Dec 14 20:10 local

[end snip]

And for the record, neither of your links support your claim.

Re:Homebrew 3.0 by anaerobicover on Friday February 05, 2021 @12:56PM (#26039164)
This changed in the last few years (I don't recall the exact date), but it absolutely was the way that brew operated for many years.

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/1393/are-my-permis...

https://superuser.com/questions/1264673/chown-usr-local-oper...

Re:Homebrew 3.0 by dylan604 on Friday February 05, 2021 @11:38AM (#26038158)
>Any chance you're on Apple Silicon?

No, I'm on an Intel chip, not M1.

>Homebrew asks users (on Intel macs) to change the ownership of /usr/local to their local user. And it refuses to run under sudo.

Again, no, not on my machine it doesn't. /usr/local is root:wheel. This is a newish (to me) machine that I gave first birthday to beginning of December 2020. The first thing I did was installed brew and started installing the things that makes my computer useful to me. No permissions were asked to be changed.

Re:Homebrew 3.0 by Redoubts on Friday February 05, 2021 @12:55PM (#26039146)
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16432071/how-to-fix-home...

Dunno if it needs this now anymore -- i think they moved to /usr/local/Homebrew some time ago -- but this was a big deal for a few years