Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by versale on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:30AM
(#26036651)
> it is prudent to use the following formulas: "I understand you...", "I am not surprised that you have said this...", "I predicted your concern...", "It is good that you have mentioned this...", If I were in your place, likely I would feel the same way...", "There is much that is just in what you are saying..."
> ...
> The best way of letting him know that in fact he has asked a question is to say something like: "You have raised a very interesting question". "Your question gets right to the point." "I wasn't surprised to hear this question from you," and so on
Hm.. I hear this from my corporate superiors every now and then during All-Hands Q&A sessions. Better check their background...
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by commandlinefan on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:36AM
(#26036700)
The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if you wanted to psychologically manipulate westerners... you might try leaking a fake "psychological manipulation training manual" that causes them to cast doubt on ordinary everyday interactions.
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by IngvarLynn on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:06PM
(#26039977)
This particular document is nothing more but a bunch of a truthful trivialities. I don't see how it can help to manipulate anyone.
You should try to feed your inner conspiracy theorist with documents such as Bezmenov interview http://uselessdissident.blogspot.com/2008/11/interview-with-... (also it's all over youtube). You might want to skip straight to the second part as the first one is merely establishes background on what was the ussr/kgb back then. This ancient (1984) interview might ring you a tzar-bell drawing parallels to the current times.
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by throw1234651234 on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:21AM
(#26037243)
These "ordinary every day interactions" should case doubt, as they are genuinely meant for the sole purpose of psychologically manipulating you in most cases when these phrases are present.
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by ericmay on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:39AM
(#26036732)
Yea for real. That was my exact thought too.
Make the population see conspiracies everywhere and question everything. Even if they don't do it in practice (i.e. you still go to the doctor even though on Facebook you reject all the science) it'll have a wide scale detrimental effect.
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by injb on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:16AM
(#26037187)
Look again at the document. Notice how it looks like a scanned document from decades ago, but the lines are all dead straight? Try searching for text..it's actually a font! The apparent imperfections in the letters is fake.
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by injb on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:10PM
(#26040617)
I'm not sure what your point is. We all know it's a translation. I merely pointed out that it has been artificially made to look like it was scanned or photocopied, when in fact that is a special font that fakes the appearance of imperfections. You contradicted that, so I just responded to prove it.
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by xtiansimon on Saturday February 06, 2021 @12:49PM
(#26048295)
Did you try my email? Is it not visible? Anyway. If we're talking about the same course, on Edx platform, then it was taught by prof. Alexander de Haan [1].
There was a book associated with the class, and I was able to find a OCW link at TUDelft website [2]. Unfortunately, the other links on the page are 404. I've copied the book info here:
Solving Complex Problems: Professional Group Decision-Making Support in Highly Complex Situations; A. de Haan & P. de Heer; Eleven International Publishing 2012, ISBN: 978-9490947712
I was really into MOOCs at that time and I made a project page, http://scp.naiveso.com/ It's a crap little WordPress site, but you might recognize the projects if you also took the course.
There was another called Business Process Management by the Hasso Plattner Institute on the OpenHPI site. (I started on those lessons and did one, but I also started a new job at that time so I didn't finish the course. Links here http://bpm.naiveso.com/ )
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by throw1234651234 on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:18AM
(#26036538)
"Various applied aspects of the problem of psychological
influence have been widely studied in psychology
abroad. Every year, a large quantity of works is pub-
lished on the issues of persuasion, suggestion, and
placing psychological pressure on people in various
situations. Recently, it has been observed that Soviet
scholars have increased their interest in this problem.
A significant number of books have appeared in which
directly or indirectly, issues of psychological influence are covered. The problems of educational, managerial and propaganda influence have been studied. "
Aka marketing and corps use the same tricks as ABC agents trying to get you to act in their interest, against your own best interest. Without any exaggeration.
My marketing class was more brutal than this - turn on some music so that individuals lose track of time and become more impulsive, turn on music that alienates "undesirables" loitering around the store, lightning to make clothing look most appealing in the mirror, form rapport as a salesperson so the customer feels like they are declining a close friend once they walk away from a sale. Etc.
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by virgilp on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:27AM
(#26036620)
- publish "KGB manual" as an apparent-poor-quality-scan to increase credibility and make it seem like a 'scanned original' when in fact it's a carefully-crafted font.
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by codetrotter on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:34AM
(#26036688)
This, along with what others ITT said, makes me think that the document in question is fictional. Flagged the OP post accordingly. Need proof that this is in any way connected to KGB at all.
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by injb on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:29AM
(#26037349)
Someone replied to my claim that it's a font earlier with a link to the original. It definitely is still a font, but apparently there is an original Russian document.
Re:KGB Manual: Training the Operative for Psychological Infl...
by PaulHoule on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:31AM
(#26036657)
What is the provenance of this?
It wholesale incorporates western psychological concepts such as Maslow's hierarchy of needs and extensively references CIA documents. There is a large Russian literature on psychology and it doesn't get referenced at all. (e.g. Russians used gabapentinoids for anxiety in the 1960s)
One could imagine they painted on a few words like "Bourgeois", references to marxism and added some stilted phrases to make it look like a translation from the Russian.
Most of what I've read about spycraft indicates that the Soviets quickly learned not to trust people who "liked communism" (e.g. loose canons like Lee Harvey Oswald) and instead to cultivate agents who were motivated by money, see
> ...
> The best way of letting him know that in fact he has asked a question is to say something like: "You have raised a very interesting question". "Your question gets right to the point." "I wasn't surprised to hear this question from you," and so on
Hm.. I hear this from my corporate superiors every now and then during All-Hands Q&A sessions. Better check their background...
EDIT: formatting
You should try to feed your inner conspiracy theorist with documents such as Bezmenov interview http://uselessdissident.blogspot.com/2008/11/interview-with-... (also it's all over youtube). You might want to skip straight to the second part as the first one is merely establishes background on what was the ussr/kgb back then. This ancient (1984) interview might ring you a tzar-bell drawing parallels to the current times.
Make the population see conspiracies everywhere and question everything. Even if they don't do it in practice (i.e. you still go to the doctor even though on Facebook you reject all the science) it'll have a wide scale detrimental effect.
What a world
> RT QUESTION MORE
https://www.4freerussia.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/...
Yes you can select the letters but that’s only because of the OCR that is built into your pdf reader.
https://imgur.com/a/QnfBRas
It’s a relatively clean scan and good quality print.
It can ofc be fake but you are going down some rabbit hole for the wrong reasons.
It’s literally says translated by....
This is the translator https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_A._Fitzpatrick
She used to run Radio Free Europe.
There was a book associated with the class, and I was able to find a OCW link at TUDelft website [2]. Unfortunately, the other links on the page are 404. I've copied the book info here:
Solving Complex Problems: Professional Group Decision-Making Support in Highly Complex Situations; A. de Haan & P. de Heer; Eleven International Publishing 2012, ISBN: 978-9490947712
I was really into MOOCs at that time and I made a project page, http://scp.naiveso.com/ It's a crap little WordPress site, but you might recognize the projects if you also took the course.
There was another called Business Process Management by the Hasso Plattner Institute on the OpenHPI site. (I started on those lessons and did one, but I also started a new job at that time so I didn't finish the course. Links here http://bpm.naiveso.com/ )
[1]: https://www.edx.org/bio/alexander-de-haan [2]: https://ocw.tudelft.nl/course-readings/readings-solving-comp...
Dale Carnegie material, for example. Here's their "Overcoming Objections" slides: https://02f0a56ef46d93f03c90-22ac5f107621879d5667e0d7ed595bd...
Aka marketing and corps use the same tricks as ABC agents trying to get you to act in their interest, against your own best interest. Without any exaggeration.
My marketing class was more brutal than this - turn on some music so that individuals lose track of time and become more impulsive, turn on music that alienates "undesirables" loitering around the store, lightning to make clothing look most appealing in the mirror, form rapport as a salesperson so the customer feels like they are declining a close friend once they walk away from a sale. Etc.
It wholesale incorporates western psychological concepts such as Maslow's hierarchy of needs and extensively references CIA documents. There is a large Russian literature on psychology and it doesn't get referenced at all. (e.g. Russians used gabapentinoids for anxiety in the 1960s)
One could imagine they painted on a few words like "Bourgeois", references to marxism and added some stilted phrases to make it look like a translation from the Russian.
Most of what I've read about spycraft indicates that the Soviets quickly learned not to trust people who "liked communism" (e.g. loose canons like Lee Harvey Oswald) and instead to cultivate agents who were motivated by money, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Anthony_Walker
for one of their biggest success stories.