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Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by inglor_cz on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:15AM (#26024710)
Whatever China does lately seems to be tailored to inch its society toward more expansive mode and military values. A lot of nationalism in the curriculum, the "wolf warriors" ideas etc.

I do not think they are doing this for shits and giggles. They invest a lot overseas and must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel and will need to be subdued militarily to protect the investments and dissuade others from going down the same road.

The question is what is the rest of the world going to do. So far we seem to be mostly ignoring this yet-soft development, maybe because the idea of having a Cold War 2.0 with a major industrial power is really uncomfortable.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by toyg on Thursday February 04, 2021 @08:08AM (#26024993)
> Whatever China does lately seems to be

... doing what countries run by a dictator tend to do. I don't think we fully understand how much Xi Jinping has changed the PRC. The Chinese system was already autocratic, but Xi turned it into full-blown dictatorship. There are no balances to his power, there is no limit to his rule, there is no incentive for anyone in China to oppose anything he does or to develop alternative political lines. This situation requires an increasing amount of chest-thumping to justify itself.

> must be aware that one day, one of their client countries will rebel

A lot of these client countries are not even in Asia, and the Chinese have never been "expeditionary". Their force projection is typically limited to their close interests. The PRC leadership has traditionally played the long game, but justifying a dictatorship has costs that must be paid for; Xi needs to show gains in a much more overt way than his predecessors. That's basically what it is. From what I can see, their only major objective is still to get the South-East off American control, and that will be it.

> The question is what is the rest of the world going to do.

You're already seeing it: periodic waves of anti-Chinese action in civilian fields. Full-on cold-war seems fundamentally impossible in a world where most "Western" money effectively runs on items manufactured almost-exclusively in China - which is not just "a major industrial power", it's effectively unique in whole sectors and dominant in others. "We" will continue with the tit-for-tat and occasional offensive like on 5G.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by AnimalMuppet on Thursday February 04, 2021 @02:52PM (#26029065)
> From what I can see, their only major objective is still to get the South-East off American control, and that will be it.

If you go by what they say, it seems that their major objective is Taiwan.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by toyg on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:56PM (#26031771)
Taiwan is the propaganda target, but their creeping occupation of the South China Sea shows what the larger overall objective is. PRC leadership (i.e. Xi and friends) really see their future as the sole owners of South-East Asia; Taiwan will “naturally” come as part of that.

The problem is that three decades of US adventurism in the Middle East have left “us” without the moral high ground to oppose them.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by AnimalMuppet on Thursday February 04, 2021 @08:20PM (#26031933)
But the US isn't trying to become the sole owners of the Middle East.
Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by enriquto on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:36AM (#26024816)
> The question is what is the rest of the world going to do.

Most of the world probably dislikes China as much as they dislike the USA. If anything, they will be indifferent to the conflict, unless they happen to be in a "proxy-conflict" zone.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by arethuza on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:45AM (#26024867)
The UK is siding strongly with the US on this - including sending a carrier group to the South China Sea:

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-carrier-strike-group...

I can't imagine, given the history between the two countries, that the Chinese are that delighted to have the Royal Navy active in their part of the world again.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by mytailorisrich on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:56AM (#26024918)
When they are ready to do so I'm pretty sure that the Chinese Navy will send an aircraft carrier visit Russia (Murmansk, St Petersburg, or Kaliningrad) and they will make sure to sail through the Channel. Or maybe they will just 'patrol' the North Atlantic. Two can play that game.

A Chinese destroyer already sailed through the Channel in 2019 on its way to an event in St Petersburg.

At the end of the day the UK of the 21st century cannot keep up with the China of the 21st century. The Chinese economy is already 6x times larger than the UK's, with a population 20x larger. At some point the Chinese Navy will be able to align 10 aircraft carriers for every British Navy one if they want to.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by arethuza on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:57AM (#26024932)
Quite - I wasn't meaning to imply that I thought it was a good idea!
Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by everdrive on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:40AM (#26024842)
Even if what you say is true (it isn't) the world does NOT want major armed conflict between the two major powers. There would be a spillover of conflict, and major economic impacts.
Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by actuator on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:58AM (#26024935)
Eh, I would count this just as some people not being comfortable with the social changes happening.

If you look at most of the pop culture that comes out from East Asia, the typical male archetype seems to be gentle, boyish looking men who are chivalrous and act cute at the same time. Typical masculine features like beards are generally considered unattractive on males. I guess, some people might not like it.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by User23 on Thursday February 04, 2021 @05:14PM (#26030407)
I'm no expert on anime, but the two big examples I'm familiar with, Sword Art Online and Demon Slayer both feature many masculine adult characters[1], but usually in a mentor or antagonist role. The protagonists are literally boys, who by definition are less masculine than grown men.

[1] The Legendary Hero Bercouli in SAO and Sakonji Urokodaki in Demon Slayer are two that immediately spring to mind.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by dvfjsdhgfv on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:41AM (#26024848)
> So far we seem to be mostly ignoring this yet-soft development, maybe because the idea of having a Cold War 2.0 with a major industrial power is really uncomfortable.

The big question is: what can we do, really? The media in the West are quite frank about what is going on: China is a totalitarian state with all consequences. The politicians, though, seem terrified and bend over backwards in order not to offend the red dragon. There are small exceptions but in general China freaks out whenever anyone significant meets the Dalai Lama, for example.

A good example is Prague. Czechia is a tiny country in Central Europe with pro-China central government. However, the local government of its capital has a more free attitude and Beijing is getting furious each time the major of Prague meets the dissidents and so on. But most politicians in most countries are far less brave. Also they may realize the stakes are higher and higher.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by Lopiolis on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:54AM (#26024909)
There are a lot of things we can do, but that requires the EU, the US and China's neighbors to work together. It requires US to have a vision for countering China's growing sphere of influence. Unfortunately, the US is content to let China grow into the void that the US has left as it abdicates its role as superpower. The EU isn't fit to function as a counterweight to China.

I say all this as an EU citizen. For all its faults, the US is the one ally we have that could possibly coordinate an appropriate response (no, not military - financial, political and social, but also military if need be) and it's a tragedy that the US is just ... giving up.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by teorema on Thursday February 04, 2021 @08:40AM (#26025197)
It's a complex topic, and I sympathize with what you're saying but I think it's less a case of giving up and more of the US trying to benefit off of China's increasing dominance, combined with genuine laissez faire philosophy. I think that's changing now a bit but it's hard to say where it's going, especially in going from Trump to Biden.
Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by EdwinLarkin on Thursday February 04, 2021 @10:29AM (#26026126)
I dont see this going anywhere.Most of China can be pushed to dark ages by a confident and experienced black ops (Mossad?).

Most of China's power is in its coastal densely populated cities that are not possible to defend in any meaningful way.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by mytailorisrich on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:43AM (#26024856)
Or more simply and less conspiracist, this is a mix of conservative values, public health (people are less active and fatter), and historical memory of what happened to them in the last 200 years (i.e. they should be able not to take any sh*t and to defend themselves).
Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by ginko on Thursday February 04, 2021 @08:22AM (#26025080)
Constantly bringing up how your country was wronged 200 years ago is the dictionary definition of nationalism.
Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by mytailorisrich on Thursday February 04, 2021 @08:31AM (#26025138)
First, "the last 200 years" is not the same as "200 years ago".

Second, history is what shapes cultures and people's views of the world. You cannot discuss and hope to make sense of what's going on in a country without understanding its history. The BLM movement, arguments about links to slavery, China's international policy, just to name a few, are all stemming directly from events that occurred in the past and continue to have an impact to this day.

And lastly, there is nothing wrong with nationalism when it means defending your own people and sovereignty of your own country. That's what all countries do and in fact is the basis of the existence of countries.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by ginko on Thursday February 04, 2021 @08:37AM (#26025182)
>And third, there is nothing wrong with nationalism

Welp, I'm out.

Re:China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly' by AnimalMuppet on Thursday February 04, 2021 @02:44PM (#26028990)
You might finish reading the sentence...