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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by mikepurvis on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:02PM (#26020396)
"The left literally treated the last 4 years as an election fraud scandal that they refused to shut down."

Please cite sources for Democratic senators, congresspeople, and/or party officials advancing these claims.

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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by jwond on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:27PM (#26020628)
> Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.

- Nancy Pelosi on May 16, 2017

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/864522009048494080

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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by scythe on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:53PM (#26020854)
The Senate Intelligence Committee and the Mueller Report both concluded that Russian propaganda affected the election. What was not shown was that Trump offered any support ("collusion") for these efforts. Simply complaining about Russian propaganda like this is hyperbolic, but not a conspiracy theory.
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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by throwaway3699 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:09PM (#26020472)
The alphabet soup networks pushing the Russia hoax for 4 years didn't convince you?
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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by dane-pgp on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:26PM (#26020613)
Do "the alphabet soup networks" include the Senate Intelligence Committee?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_...

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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by triceratops on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:38PM (#26020722)
What was the hoax? The Mueller report had an entire section about Russian meddling. The investigation also indicted a number of Russian nationals.
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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by throwaway3699 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:57PM (#26020893)
I'm not saying there wasn't an investigation, but I'm not convinced by the evidence after reading that document. The biggest thing that I saw was the ad spend was very small (<$1M)
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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by mikeyouse on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @07:38PM (#26021171)
And of course the hack and leak of Podesta and DNC that led to a billion dollars of earned media for Trump.
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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by throwaway3699 on Thursday February 04, 2021 @04:03AM (#26023895)
Which makes much more sense as to why Trump won than a delusional Russian conspiracy theory...
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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by mikeyouse on Thursday February 04, 2021 @01:25PM (#26028258)
The Russians hacked the emails - How is it then a conspiracy theory? These things are all facts:

Trump asked the Russians to hack Hillary, and hours later they began probing the Clinton domains.

Russian government hacked Podesta

Russian government hacked the DNC

Russian government gave those emails to Wikileaks to hurt Hillary / boost Trump and they were weaponized explicitly to do so (e.g. the Podesta release coming hours after the President was on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy)

Russian businessmen, closely linked to the government spent millions of dollars on a social media campaign to boost Trump

Trump's campaign took several meetings with Russians offering help with the election, including explicit meetings offered as "Part of the government's assistance to the Trump campaign" and then lied to the press and the government when asked about those meetings

Trump's campaign manager gave private polling data to several Russians, including a probable spy

Trump dangled pardons for his team if they didn't cooperate with the investigation

Trump pardoned those people who didn't cooperate with the investigation

Trump's team changed the entire GOP platform to be more friendly to Russia

Trump's transition team took clandestine meetings to promise to remove sanctions that were in place for the above activity.

Trump's son-in-law offered to take meetings in the Russian embassy to be out of range of US intelligence.

So far as I can tell, the "Hoax" that people are adamant about refers to the Mueller finding where they couldn't prove that any of the above was coordinated - And it very well might not have been! - but to say that it was a hoax that Russia helped Trump win is so silly.

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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by axaxs on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:04PM (#26020422)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trum...

Has plenty of names and links to read all about it, if you missed it.

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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by _underfl0w_ on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:12PM (#26020509)
Attempting to impeach someone based on their actions != falsely claiming election fraud in the face of evidencd (and attempting to coerce others e.g. Pence into doing so)
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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by panny on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:45PM (#26020788)
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/05/17/disinformation-from-...

"Even after the Mueller report clearly indicated that there was no provable collusion or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump campaign, Schiff continued to propagate the lie."

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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by triceratops on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @08:49PM (#26021633)
> the Mueller report clearly indicated that there was no provable collusion or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump campaign

Except that it didn't, really.

"there was knowing and complicit behavior between the Trump campaign and Russians that stopped short of direct coordination, which may constitute conspiracy"[1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Redacted_report...

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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by panny on Thursday February 04, 2021 @11:51PM (#26033267)
You are realtime evidence for mikepurvis to see that the left never let go of the Russiagate conspiracy theory. Thanks for helping me to prove my point here.
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Re:The divide between political parties is smaller than we t... by cudgy on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @11:29PM (#26022591)
Can that conclusion be any more mealy-mouthed?
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