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Re:RNA Memory Hypothesis by wombatmobile on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:24PM (#26019978)
> The person cited in the post is also a crackpot

My first reaction was to downvote your comment for the ad hominem, which doesn't contribute to the discussion. But I can see you are giving consideration to the article, and want to discuss it further - it's just that you haven't got enough out of it to make much of a start, and so this is your conversation starter.

I'm assuming you've labelled this a "fringe theory" by a "crackpot" not to be nasty, buy in order to start a conversation.

Let's start with your statement:

> I don't think there's any real doubt that memory is stored in neurons

The question is "how?". The article is postulating that each neuron is a computer, and RNA is a storage medium.

You say "my first objection would be that RNA would be far too slow for this purpose." That's because your thinking about RNA is limited to what you understand about RNA. You've learned about mRNA, which is one application that uses this molecular format, but it's not the only possible application.

The article suggests that the data transmission protocol which leads to thought and/or behaviour could be electrical, through simultaneous aggregated neuronal RNA based data processing.

Read the section he quotes from Ron Maimon, subtitled RNA ticker tape. What do you make of this statement?

"The RNA in a cell is the only entity which is active and carries significant bit density."

Re:RNA Memory Hypothesis by fabian2k on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:35PM (#26020106)
There are a lot of claims without any evidence in that blog post. "The RNA in a cell is the only entity which is active and carries significant bit density." is one of them.

DNA certainly encodes for a significant amount of information as well. And why not proteins, there are a lot of proteins in a cell and you can also modify them in various ways. A cell has an enormous amount of state, any of it could theoretically store information like memory. There are a lot of different molecules active in a cell, in various modification states, at various locations, and all of that could encode information.

What this blog posts doesn't provide is any experimental evidence, this is a pure thought experiment. If RNA were to actually store memory, that would be great. Because determining the RNA sequences inside a cell is something we can do.

Re:RNA Memory Hypothesis by jusssi on Thursday February 04, 2021 @03:11AM (#26023622)
I was going to say, that the DNA in all the brain cells is identical and unchanging, so it cannot possibly record memories. But I decided to google first, and found this: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/dneu.22626

It appears that the brain cells in particular actually do develop significant changes to their DNA.

Re:RNA Memory Hypothesis by eternalban on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @08:33PM (#26021531)
He wrote "active and [has encoded information]".

mRNA and tRNA move, so "active". Ribosome is also (re)active, and "the ribosome is itself composed of both RNA and protein, likely reflecting its own descent from an RNA world." [1]

[1]: The Ribosome Moves: RNA Mechanics and Translocation

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6581036/

Re:RNA Memory Hypothesis by wombatmobile on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:38PM (#26020145)
> DNA certainly encodes for a significant amount of information as well. And why not proteins

True!

> What this blog posts doesn't provide is any experimental evidence, this is a pure thought experiment.

Yeah, so?

Re:RNA Memory Hypothesis by Chris2048 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:39PM (#26020736)
> My first reaction was to downvote your comment for the ad hominem

Why? Ad-homs aren't necessarily bad, it's contextual.

Re:RNA Memory Hypothesis by wombatmobile on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @07:09PM (#26020969)
It’s lazy and uninformative to call someone a crackpot.

More informative to state the views you disagree with and say why.

Re:RNA Memory Hypothesis by Chris2048 on Friday February 05, 2021 @07:17AM (#26035485)
It's entitled to demand someone provide that, or be "lazy". Inform yourself - checkout said users post on stack exchange.