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Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by prepperdev on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @09:42PM (#26009964)
What are the limits for the number of layers? 176 seems like a large enough number to believe that a few thousands are a possibility. Is the tech any close to a bottleneck, or they will keep growing them up?
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by wtallis on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @09:51PM (#26010022)
The biggest limiting factor is the ability to etch deep holes with a high aspect ratio. Shrinking individual memory cells along any axis is of limited use (fewer electrons means less durability), so you can't make layers much thinner. Making holes wider can get you more layers, but isn't really a net win for total density. So far, nobody has started stacking more than two decks of layers, so I don't know if we have good data on how cost and yield scale when going all-out on string stacking to reach extreme layer counts. As an alternative, there's R&D into using wider holes, and then splitting the vertical channels in half, giving you two semicircular memory cells per layer rather than one circular cell.

There's also a need to keep shrinking the peripheral circuitry as the number of memory cells stacked above each mm^2 of buffers and charge pumps keeps growing.

Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by baybal2 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:25AM (#26011705)
Are you working in this field?
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by wtallis on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:43AM (#26011796)
I've been reporting on it for the past 5 years, including a recent interview with one of Micron's lead engineers about their 176L NAND, which I haven't written up and published yet. https://www.anandtech.com/Author/182
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by scns on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @04:25AM (#26011987)
Thank you for your work. I enjoy the quality of Anandtech's reporting and am totally fine with you guys taking your time to do a good job.
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by ksec on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:39AM (#26011774)
Dont think he is since he has a Full Time Job Working in Anandtech.
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by wtallis on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:44AM (#26011808)
Technically part-time, paid as a freelancer. Only two or three of the senior editors are on salary. It's not a lucrative line of work, but most of the time it's pretty fun.
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by ksec on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @05:28AM (#26012373)
Oh wow. The quality is absolutely amazing though. Thank You. While there are less content to write purely just on DRAM, NAND and storage, some of those reporting still takes a long time to investigate and write. Never thought it was freelance.
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by ncsd on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @10:50PM (#26010414)
One limiting factor as the string gets too long is resistance becomes too large. This is the same reason the 2D NAND string is at 128. Maybe certain material breakthroughs will change that
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by baybal2 on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @03:31AM (#26011737)
Do you work on memory devices?
Re:SK hynix begins offering samples of 176-layer NAND chip (... by dehrmann on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @12:20AM (#26010846)
I know nothing about making chips, but at what point, or for what type of chip, does the heat generated become an issue?