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Re:Ford, Google form 'strategic partnership' on cloud servic... by toast0 on Monday February 01, 2021 @04:26PM (#25994200)
> Oh the audio system? Automatic seat adjustment? Bluetooth? Let's write a requirement document, or even just a requirement powerpoint and send it out for quote. It's not that important and cheapest bidder is fine.

Ford Sync 2 (aka MyFordTouch) is exactly this. The interaction design is actually good, people clearly thought about how to go from screen to screen and it would be highly usable, except that the response time is god awful. Rumor is Ford outsourced to Microsoft who outsourced to someone's cousin who wrote it in Adobe Air or something. If it wasn't slower than molasses, it would be pretty neat.

Re:Ford, Google form 'strategic partnership' on cloud servic... by RandallBrown on Monday February 01, 2021 @05:37PM (#25995094)
Former Microsoft employee that worked on MyFordTouch for a little while.

> Rumor is Ford outsourced to Microsoft who outsourced to someone's cousin who wrote it in Adobe Air or something

That's actually pretty close. From what I understood Microsoft and Ford worked pretty closely on SYNC and that was a large success. Ford came back to Microsoft to have them do Sync 2.

Microsoft gave them a quote saying it would take $X and Y time. Ford said it needs to be cheaper and faster. Microsoft told Ford "We can't do that, here are some of our preferred contractors for Windows Embedded, maybe they can."

Some time later Ford came back to Microsoft saying "Please fix this" and that was around the time I joined. I actually heard a Ford VP say "This is the worst quality problem we've had in my time at Ford." He had been there during the Firestone tire debacle. (He was talking about cost in lost sales, obviously iPods not working wasn't as bad in the grand scheme of things as cars rolling over.)

The "backend" of the system was written in C++ on Windows Embedded. The user interface was written in Flash with some insane stringly-typed interface to talk back and forth with the C++ layer. And that's how I became an action script developer at Microsoft for a (very) brief time.

iPhones worked decently with the system. Android barely worked at all (Ford didn't care much about that at the time). Windows Phones actually worked pretty well since all the employees at the time had them and that's mostly what we'd use for developing.

It was the worst job I've ever had.

Re:Ford, Google form 'strategic partnership' on cloud servic... by ronaldj on Monday February 01, 2021 @06:56PM (#25995812)
Ford Fiesta owners got this awful Sync 2 system and a poorly designed transmission. When I purchased, the Sync system seemed like something I could deal with at the time. It aged poorly. It seems like it is getting slower, but that's probably just in comparison to using newer systems with CarPlay.

I also have this added bug where sometimes (once every 6 months or so) the Sync system gets stuck on when I turn off my car and open the door. The screen goes off and the radio keeps playing. Only way to resolve it is to disconnect the battery.

Re:Ford, Google form 'strategic partnership' on cloud servic... by toast0 on Monday February 01, 2021 @11:03PM (#25997321)
You might try the engineering menu shortcut when the Sync get stuck. I haven't had that happen to me, but it's worth a try. Hold eject and next track for about 2 seconds; it may be easier than disconnecting the battery or pulling a fuse.

WARNING: The engineering menu starts a speaker test in a few seconds if you don't cancel it, and it's very loud. You want to cancel that.

Re:Ford, Google form 'strategic partnership' on cloud servic... by scirocco on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @02:20AM (#25998178)
Why not run Linux?
Re:Ford, Google form 'strategic partnership' on cloud servic... by toast0 on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @03:38AM (#25998588)
The OS wasn't the problem (although Sync 3 went to QNX, and I guess this Android thing is probably Linux). It was the front end that was so slooooooow
Re:Ford, Google form 'strategic partnership' on cloud servic... by interestica on Monday February 01, 2021 @11:54PM (#25997558)
Did they regress on Ford Sync 3? Because I find it terrible. The UI design for simple things (eg, song playback) is not great. Targets are small. The weird 'FordSync' combo is weird and it seems like the addon-apps section is dead. Luckily it has AndroidAuto - but even that has weird issues with volume level.
Re:Ford, Google form 'strategic partnership' on cloud servic... by toast0 on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @03:37AM (#25998581)
Sorry, I don't have access to a Sync 3. From a quick look at the tutorials, it looks like Sync 3 refined the look of the UI, which looks nicer, but is probably harder to use, because the buttons looks like they have smaller borders, so it would seem easier to hit the wrong ones. Also, it looks like there's more buttons on the screen, which again makes it easier to hit the wrong ones.

Sync 2 looks like junk, but if it wasn't so slow, I think that would be fine.

Sync 2 had a hook for addon apps, but never got any. Also, they killed the thing to send directions to the car before I even got my car (it seemed like it was poorly thought out anyway), and the vehicle health report too. Still lets me use an app to find the car / unlock the doors / etc; but only if the car hasn't gone into deep sleep to stop it from killing the battery.

Re:Ford, Google form 'strategic partnership' on cloud servic... by wmeredith on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:49AM (#25998036)
Sync3 was better than 2