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Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by sanxiyn on Monday February 01, 2021 @03:40AM (#25986766)
The second activity is dangerous because A can fail to deliver. I agree there's not much to be outraged by the first activity.
Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by woopwoop on Monday February 01, 2021 @03:43AM (#25986786)
A can fail to deliver in the first activity, too. More generally, when you agree to have someone give you something of value at a later time, you take on some risk that they will fail to do so.
Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by woofie11 on Monday February 01, 2021 @04:12AM (#25986976)
There's a very different risk profile for me (an individual investor) if I'm buying shares from someone who doesn't have them, and merely promises to deliver them, than if they're backed by real shares. I'd like my brokerage to be holding real shares on my behalf for real dollars I gave them. I don't want them loaning my shares out either.

They're mine.

If there are naked shorts floating around (or shorts covered by my stock without permission), someone else is making money off of risk I am taking on, but didn't agree to. There can be a cascading set of failures which lands with me not having my shares.

It's the difference between taking out a $300,000 mortgage on a $500,000 house, versus borrowing $300,000 with no collateral. You'll get a different interest rate, if you can get a loan at all. And this resembles someone taking a $300,000 mortgage, only missing the house.

Yes, there's always a risk, but that risk profile is very, very different (esp. in the case of catastrophic events, like a stock market collapse or similar, when many institutions might be going down at the same time).

Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by sanxiyn on Monday February 01, 2021 @04:19AM (#25987019)
> I don't want them loaning my shares out either.

If you don't want that, don't. It's in your control.

Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by konschubert on Monday February 01, 2021 @03:42AM (#25986779)
When I take a loan I may also fail to deliver loan payments. I don't think we should make risk illegal, but we should make sure that banks manage tail risks right.
Re:Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting ... by eru on Monday February 01, 2021 @06:42AM (#25987793)
That's what margin requirements and clearing houses are for.

Even during the heights of the last few financial crises, clearinghouses did not fail.

(Option writers and people trading futures are in a very similar situation to short sellers. They also have clearing houses.)