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Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by yinyang_in on Sunday January 31, 2021 @12:51AM (#25976419)
Not BJP fanatic, but as I see these laws. These are pro-farmer and anti-madis laws.

There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere.

I wrote posts on it : https://iamamitmurari.medium.com/farm-laws-farmer-issues-and...

Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by mandeepj on Sunday January 31, 2021 @01:47AM (#25976677)
> There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere.

You have no clue. Farmers were free before also to sell anywhere.

Reliance is going to monopolize in agriculture also similar to what they have done with Telecom via Jio.

Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by flik on Sunday January 31, 2021 @02:08AM (#25976789)
Agree.

I have a BSNL net connection (with reliability going down from good to worse). Being public sectore, Central govt is accountable for BSNL quality.

The way BSNL value is/was destroyed to promote Reliance... is now repeating elsewhere.

Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by amriksohata on Saturday February 06, 2021 @05:54AM (#26045719)
This is a highly uneducated comment, Reliance is like Vodafone or O2, EE or 3G, they own mobile networks, can you imagine Vodafone going into farming LOL.
Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by mandeepj on Saturday February 06, 2021 @12:40PM (#26048226)
I believe you are uneducated. Not sure if you know or pretending to be ignorant - Reliance is a conglomerate. They are into a ton of businesses including Oil Refineries, Retail etc. What does Vodafone have to do with them?
Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by amriksohata on Sunday February 07, 2021 @07:11AM (#26054507)
You should read what the actual owners say

https://www.businessinsider.in/business/corporates/news/reli...

His industry has no interest in food and agriculture!

Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by xrisk on Sunday January 31, 2021 @02:54AM (#25977011)
> There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere.

This is factually incorrect [1]. Only about 30% [2] of produce is sold in mandis.

Any anti-mandi law is essentially an anti-farmer law; because mandis act as a safety net for farmers. No farmer can negotiate good deals with big corp, and once the buyer side is monopolized (ala Jio); the farmer is forced into bad contracts. What the government should do is implement mandi reforms.

[1]: https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/can-free-trade-...

[2]: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/agriculture/by-pushing-f...

Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by sbmthakur on Sunday January 31, 2021 @04:01AM (#25977289)
This is assuming that Mandis work as expected which is not always true. In reality, there is corruption and gaming the system. While these laws to incentivise alternative markets, they do not abolish Mandis.

https://finshots.in/archive/agriculture-will-never-be-the-sa...

Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by xrisk on Sunday January 31, 2021 @04:18AM (#25977368)
I never claimed that they always work as expected. That is not an excuse to do away with them.

As for the shtick that they will not abolish mandis, that is already demonstrably untrue [1]. It is trivial to observe that big corp will utterly destroy them and then coerce farmers into bad contracts when they have no alternative.

As for your argument that the "free market" will improve the situation, for the record, it has been done before and has miserably failed. [2]

For posterity, I would recommend that you don't cite sources that are essentially blog posts with zero data or theory. I might as well cite the Communist Manifesto then. There is actual serious work on this matter.

[1]: https://www.newsclick.in/Fallout-Farm-Laws-New-Laws-Paralyse...

[2]: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/agriculture/bihar-scrapp...

Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by sbmthakur on Sunday January 31, 2021 @10:32AM (#25979510)
The scenarios you cited may show that private Mandis are bad at protecting farmers but they do not involve big corps who have the capital to build storage facilities and facilitate farmers with farm related activities. So how did you conclude "big corp" will destroy farmers with this laws?
Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by fakedang on Sunday January 31, 2021 @01:06AM (#25976501)
There's way too much nuance here than what your post suggests. Your post is a theoretical evaluation of the new laws, without looking at the on-the-ground happenings or the fallout effects from the new laws. Granted, the old mandi system is extremely broken, but the new laws aren't any much better. On the contrary, they facilitate the gradual takeover of control from the APMCs to government-tied cronies. These farmers already know it (and aren't "uneducated" as the Indian farmer trope goes) and they saw through the government ploy pretty much.
Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by lord_washington on Sunday January 31, 2021 @01:11AM (#25976520)
> On the contrary, they facilitate the gradual takeover of control from the APMCs to government-tied cronies

That's oft-repeated claim that lacks serious backing. If that were true all farmer associations must have opposed the laws which is not happening[1].

1. https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/who-are-shetkari...

Re:India protests: Internet cut to hunger-striking farmers i... by baybal2 on Sunday January 31, 2021 @03:56AM (#25977256)
Pakistanis get it worse. Most cash crops are only sellable by licensed dealers to "protect" farmers.

Those in their stead conspire to do price rigging, and wash produce down the drain.

The recent sugar, wheat tomato, onion shortages were due to them doing exactly that.