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Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by mlthoughts2018 on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:27PM (#25970938)
I’m sorry but you have written several blowhard comments along these lines and it’s just wrong. There is no such thing as “creating” a short squeeze. There is just a buying strategy based on hard work of appraising the fundamentals and speculating correctly, and you are perfectly free to tell others you plan to do that and coordinate with them.

Calling anything the retail / WSB investor crowd did in this scenario “manipulation” is ridiculous and insulting. “Coordinating” by explaining a strategy and inviting others to participate is not “manipulation.”

Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by elliekelly on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:40PM (#25971072)
Well I'm a securities lawyers soooo I kind of know a thing or two about this stuff. I stand by everything I've said. If that makes a stranger on the internet think I'm a "blowhard", so be it. Apologies if reality hurts your feelings. Nothing I've said is wrong. Many things you've said are, though.

Oh, and you might want to google Phil Falcone.

Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by mlthoughts2018 on Saturday January 30, 2021 @02:33PM (#25972164)
If true, I’m quite shocked just based on the bald-faced, zeroth order flagrant incorrectness of things you wrote in other comments about it.

I worked as a fund manager at an asset management firm for a few years, often sitting daily with our general counsel on many issues. Nothing you have said about this, including the totally off the wall comparison with Phil Falcone, causes me to believe your take is trustworthy here. I’m not a lawyer, but just because you allegedly are one doesn’t mean I’m going to take your opinion on this at face value.

Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by elliekelly on Saturday January 30, 2021 @02:50PM (#25972326)
Prepare to be quite shocked, bud. I'm still waiting for you to point out what exactly I've said that's wrong. Since your comments are full of angry rhetoric and lacking in substance it seems that you strongly dislike what I've said which is actually very different from what I've said being "flagrantly incorrect". Classic mixup.

> often sitting daily with our general counsel on many issues

I think you think this somehow bolsters your (again, completely emotional) argument? On the contrary, this is a pretty good indicator you don't understand federal securities laws. And I must say, I concur with your former GC's assessment.

Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by mlthoughts2018 on Saturday January 30, 2021 @03:14PM (#25972536)
> “I'm still waiting for you to point out what exactly I've said that's wrong.”

I don’t know why you’re waiting on that. It’s absolutely not my job to go item by item through the comments and chronicle it for you, that’s on you if you care (or don’t, I don’t care, and I won’t be baited further). I just felt somebody needed to mention that they don’t take what you’re saying as accurate or trustworthy.

Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by nrmitchi on Saturday January 30, 2021 @03:25PM (#25972629)
If you are making a claim that everything someone is saying is wrong, you should will be willing to state what you think they are actually wrong about, and why.

No one is asking you to "go line by line", but right now you're just yelling "YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT" without even specifying what you're talking about.

Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by mlthoughts2018 on Saturday January 30, 2021 @03:44PM (#25972826)
No, one does not have to respond to “citation-needed” requests for bolstering arguments. Others are perfectly free to discredit me for that, ignore what I am saying, that is fine, but nobody is “required” and nobody “should” engage with that in every case.

In this particular case I think the arguments have been repeated many times across all the different GME threads. My goal is not to repeat them here, only to register dissent, which is a perfectly valid goal for me to have.

Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by nrmitchi on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:48PM (#25971153)
> buying strategy based on hard work of appraising the fundamentals and speculating correctly

I'm sorry are you trying to make an argument that GME right now is based on evaluating the fundamentals?!?

> “Coordinating” by explaining a strategy and inviting others to participate is not “manipulation.”

Frankly, you're kind of right, if the premises of those strategies are valid, and are not "If we manipulate the value high enough", then it is not illegal market manipulation.

If the premise of your strategy is "manipulating the price of availability", then yes, it is. If the strategy is just blatantly factually wrong or fraudulent, then yes, it is.

Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by mlthoughts2018 on Saturday January 30, 2021 @02:30PM (#25972139)
> “ I'm sorry are you trying to make an argument that GME right now is based on evaluating the fundamentals?!?”

I’m saying the author of the article (the reddit post) approached valuing it based on fundamentals. That is the whole point of a short equity squeeze - a stock’s valuation is predicted by many (wrong folks) to fall, institutional money takes a large short position, but a few smart speculators see a valuation-based reason why the price will actually (truly, not artificially) go up, thus squeezing the short sellers. The strategy kicks in only at that point, when buying and holding (based on speculating more intelligently about the true valuation) leads to further gains because of the short sellers’ situation. The reddit author even says explicitly - this is not a pump and dump, the stock will stay high.

Sharing a smart analysis and offering others the chance to execute the same strategy is not manipulation. It’s just a smart strategy. This guy and others who saw the opportunity early, realized GME was both fundamentally undervalued and also had super high short interest, just out-smarted professional traders and they are mad, so resorting to backchannel politics to drum up claims of “manipulation.”

Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by nrmitchi on Saturday January 30, 2021 @03:01PM (#25972435)
> The reddit author even says explicitly - this is not a pump and dump, the stock will stay high.

Oh well I mean if the reddit author said it....

If you're arguing that it will stay high, you're saying that based on the fundamentals of the company GameStop should be a $20B company. Which is bonkers.

Re:The Reddit GME short squeeze game plan (143 days old) by mlthoughts2018 on Saturday January 30, 2021 @03:41PM (#25972791)
Ugh. I’m pretty sure if someone wrote a huge essay giving compelling reasons why they were basing the strategy on fundamentals, bolstered with various details about the board changes and track record, the current stock performance, franchise cash flow, etc., then the least crackpot explanation here is that they actually meant it and that was in fact their strategy.

Your sarcastic “.. if the reddit author said it” totally misses the point. The point is not whether the reddit author is right only the reddit author is actually describing their honest strategy based on fundamentals.

Given the specificity of the strategy and the fact that it actually did turn out to be right it would seem like an extreme claim requiring extreme evidence to disagree or to presume some ulterior secret market manipulation motive.

Separately, I for one am not sure you are right to say $20B market cap of GameStop is crazy. I think it will drop yes, but not nearly as far as most people think. The change of board management for GME is quite a big signal of the large-scale ecommerce revamp they plan to execute, and that strategy was executed by the new board member previously at Chewy, so there is actual track record to believe this.

The valuation is high right now, sure, but I sincerely think it’s not crazy high. That’s why a lot of the WSBers and redditors are still refusing to sell. The plan absolutely was not a pump and dump, it was more like jumping on an airplane before it takes off - at least in their minds. Time will tell.