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Re:Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play ... by userbinator on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:33PM (#25966089)
A lot of people already know that you can get apps directly as .apks, but the majority of them have been conditioned by corporate "propaganda" that they'll be almost certainly getting malware that way. The term "sideloading" was invented to ostracise and discourage the practice of acquiring software independently --- which was the norm up until Apple and its walled garden appeared.

But now, perhaps when sufficiently large numbers of people realise that what "malware" means to the big corporations is different from what it means to users, we'll have another mini-revolution back to the independent sharing and community trust model that the industry tried to eliminate because it would subvert their control.

I don't want to get too political here, but after seeing the outcome of the US election, and the events from then until now, I knew that stuff like this was going to happen.

Re:Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play ... by simonh on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:23AM (#25966419)
Ok, that's some historical revisionism I've not see before. The term sideloading was invented by an internet storage service company to refer to copying files between remote storage buckets without having to do an upload or download. The term then got adopted by the community for copying MP3 files to a player from your computer.
Re:Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play ... by userbinator on Saturday January 30, 2021 @02:16AM (#25967020)
In the communities I participated in, that was just called copying, and generic MP3/MP4 player owners were often quick to point out that they could just simply plug in and copy files like a USB drive, whereas iPods needed iTunes and "syncing". I've never seen sideloading being used to describe anything other than to suggest "impropriety" or something that's not "officially unapproved", and only in the context of applications --- I haven't ever heard of someone "sideloading" music to a player either. I bet for the vast majority of others, this is also the case.
Re:Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play ... by simonh on Saturday January 30, 2021 @01:18PM (#25971430)
There are other terms many people use, for sure, but nevertheless, that’s where the term sideloading comes from.
Re:Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play ... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday January 30, 2021 @01:58AM (#25966930)
Keep in mind that you're making a somewhat pedantic point about the difference between "invented" and "adopted" and the core of the criticism is still true.

The thing you did with software direct from the developer used to be called "installing" but now the platform companies call it "sideloading" which sounds like something that would cause an airline to lose your luggage.

Re:Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play ... by einpoklum on Saturday January 30, 2021 @04:00AM (#25967480)
Maybe in your social surroundings. In some/many other countries - granted, mostly non-English-speaking they just call it (literal translation) "Installing applications from a file" or "Installing APKs".
Re:Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play ... by onethought on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:48AM (#25966572)
But nothing about your facts help me hate on Google and Apple more... can’t the GP be right?
Re:Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play ... by simonh on Saturday January 30, 2021 @01:24AM (#25966760)
Whatever, I just think it's useful when evaluating an opinion to know whether the person is prone to fantasising and making shit up. There's way too much of that going around these days.
Re:Element (Matrix chat app) suspended from the Google Play ... by sudosysgen on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:56AM (#25966621)
This would have happened no matter the outcome of the US election. The trend towards consolidation of corporate power is really inexorable.