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Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by fractionalhare on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:24PM (#25948526)
> From what I understand Melvin Capital, one of the biggest short-sellers that got in trouble, is owned by Citadel

No, Citadel does not own Melvin Capital. Melvin Capital received an investment from Citadel (the hedge fund, not the market maker) and Point72 this week.

> Robinhood seems to be manipulating the market to make it easier for Melvin Capital to cut their substantial losses.

Melvin already cut its losses this week, as was widely reported. There is no evidence for the counter claims that they're lying, which themselves originate on reddit. In particular: all the widely cited short interest figures on reddit which purport to show this are out of date (usually by weeks), and even if they were true, they would not be proof the short positions weren't closed.

Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by xeonoex on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:44PM (#25948917)
So Melvin Capital got a few billion from Citadel after the reddit short squeeze started? And we're not supposed to think anything about that is shady?

And there is no proof Melvin cut their losses. There is no way to know for sure. The shorts are still there, whether they're Melvin or anyone else.

Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by fractionalhare on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:50PM (#25948999)
I didn't say anything about what you're supposed to think. You can definitely believe it's shady.

As for the proof about cutting losses - no, there's no proof. You can question every single fact you read about this story in the media if you want. The reasons most people have given for why they would lie about it instead of just do it kind of strain credulity for me. There are a lot of conspiracies being spread around with much regard for whether or not they are true instead of whether they could be true.

Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by mewpmewp2 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:27PM (#25950348)
Logic says they are lying or trying to leave an impression as if they cut their losses, since if they truly already cut their losses why were they so adamant about telling their story and trying to get people out of the market. If they cut their losses they would have no incentive to tell people about it, they would just not comment and go on to new ventures.
Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by nickysielicki on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:38PM (#25948792)
> Melvin already cut its losses this week, as was widely reported.

This was widely reported, and Melvin might not be the big bag holder anymore, but the short interest hasn't subsided. It's actually grown.

The squeeze never happened. The squeeze never happened.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/we-have-some-bad-news-game...

Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by mariusvaporware on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:43PM (#25950564)
The article above written by renowned financial journalist... Tyler Durden?
Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by bluetonium on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:25PM (#25948536)
So just partially owns, then.
Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by fractionalhare on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:26PM (#25948557)
In the sense that any Limited Partner partially owns an investment vehicle because they have a stake in it, yes.
Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by okprod on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:36PM (#25948764)
Melvin founder was protege of Point72's SAC
Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by bilbo0s on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:34PM (#25948715)
The same way public retirement funds in Wisconsin "partially own" Apple.
Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by myownpetard on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:36PM (#25948763)
Do public retirement funds in Wisconsin own >30% of APPL?
Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by SilasX on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:24PM (#25952354)
Alternatively, did Wisconsin public retirement funds make an enormous investment in AAPL right when it was about to become insolvent and had no other real options for raising money? That is, you can assume anyone investing in that circumstance (like Citadel into Melvin) would demand a huge stake in return.
Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by fractionalhare on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:43PM (#25948895)
As was reported, the capital raise Melvin received wasn't 30% of their total AUM even after the GME losses. And even if it were, it was also reported that Citadel and Point72 received non-controlling revenue share.
Re:Class Action Lawsuit Filed Against Robinhood by myownpetard on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:21PM (#25949424)
I'm having trouble finding specific numbers, do you have a source?

As far as I can tell they started the year with ~12.5B AUM, and have lost ~30% on the year and received a 2.75B cash infusion from Citadel et al, which I assume was at a discount given their position. So my rough estimate is around ~25-35%, given the uncertainty around those numbers.