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Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by 52-6F-62 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:16AM (#25943022)
I can't see how that's the case. They aren't going to suffer for this, let alone personally.

Even if the fund tanks, they can set up a new one, probably with sympathetic money or just cruise off into the sunset with their millions.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by paulddraper on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:29AM (#25943303)
They're so disconnected that losing billions doesn't matter?

The problem is bigger than originally conceived then.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by kibwen on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:18AM (#25944241)
Its nice that more people are coming to this realization, though I'll admit that it's a bit funny that this, of all events, is what's making people realize that extreme wealth disparity is a problem.

The existence of billionaires isn't even good for the free market, let alone free society. In order for a market to be rational, the threat of losing money has to actually mean something, which it doesn't for the ultra-rich.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by paulddraper on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:29AM (#25944394)
Eh. The problem isn't that billions or billionaires exist at all. I see no issue with that.

The problem is systems that resist merit. You make terrible investment decisions with the portfolio but it doesn't matter? (I think it will matter FWIW.)

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by kibwen on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:53AM (#25944756)
In what way do you think it will matter? Can you be more specific?
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by paulddraper on Thursday January 28, 2021 @01:21PM (#25946352)
He'll be regarded as the moron that shorted a stock 140%(!!!) and then got caught
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by kibwen on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:48PM (#25947940)
There doesn't seem to be any singular person in this case to assign such fault to; best I can tell the over-shorting was caused by multiple firms acting independently, and I'd guess that the orders were signed off on by multiple people at each firm (and I'm not inclined to suspect any collusion here; in a thunderstorm people sell umbrellas, and in a pandemic people short retail).

In the meantime, the billionaire owner of Citadel (the company that just made tons of money by front-running all these retail investor trades via their data harvesting contract with Robinhood) just used some of that freshly-acquired cash to buy a stake in Melvin (the company that those retail investors just tanked) for pennies on the dollar. The feel-good rage of WSB serves as a convenient smokescreen for the rich getting richer.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by npsimons on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:06AM (#25944017)
> The problem is bigger than originally conceived then.

You're starting to get it.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by beervirus on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:39AM (#25943501)
It matters to the investors in the hedge fund. It matters a lot less to the people running it.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by totalZero on Thursday January 28, 2021 @12:09PM (#25944987)
Wall Street is driven by money, relationships, and reputation. Obviously, Plotkin lost money here in terms of his this-year payout. But I believe he also takes a hit in other ways.

On Money: Plotkin's fund lost money for his investors, all of whom are rich people who will be upset with him. There will probably be some redemptions, and AUM will go down -- not just because he lost some of it, but because investors will pull out some of what remains.

On Reputation: Plotkin ends up with egg on his face because he held the bag for a bunch of mom-and-pop investors on Robin Hood. You know how Soros is known for famously breaking the Pound Sterling? Plotkin is now known for infamously being broken by GME.

On Relationships: Plotkin lost even after getting an injection of liquidity from Cohen and Griffin. That can't be good for his standing with those two power players.

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by yellowstuff on Friday January 29, 2021 @08:38PM (#25965139)
"Hedge fund managers typically have a substantial amount of their own capital invested in the funds they manage, and a significant portion of their compensation is based upon the absolute, or positive, performance they achieve for their investors. As New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer observed recently, the interests of hedge fund managers and their investors tend to be "aligned", largely due to this combination of the managers' commitment of capital to their funds and the performance-based compensation structure."

https://www.sec.gov/spotlight/hedgefunds/hedge-mfa.htm

Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by risyachka on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:21AM (#25943133)
Loosing billions still hurts a lot I would guess.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by 52-6F-62 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:25AM (#25943228)
The fund and it's investors may lose a lot. The people running the fund will not. But it's important to remember that it's a matter of scale here. Billions is a lot to a midwestern retail worker who put half his rent check into a volatile stock. It's not a lot to large groups of already-wealthy investors who have a portion of their portfolio invested with this one fund.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by shin_lao on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:25AM (#25943206)
It's not their money, it's the money from LPs who invested in the fund.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by yellowstuff on Friday January 29, 2021 @08:39PM (#25965144)
If you know the term LPs you should know the typically senior management at hedge funds have a significant portion of their net worth invested in their own funds.
Re:WallStreetBets vs WallStreet: It's not about the money an... by thebean11 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:25AM (#25943215)
You don't think losing his fund would have any personal or reputational effect on him, just because he has plenty of money to live, or do something else?

I don't buy it.