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Re:GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine by boringg on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:18PM (#25931734)
> This isn't true. The institutions with Short Exposure are connected to the institutions who buy Robinhood data and perform high frequency trading on those orders. Citadel and Melvin can BUY GME themselves to mitigate the risks. It is likely that a substantial amount of GME is being held by the institutions who had short exposure. It's basic risk mitigation.

-- They would have to do this at great cost and loss (rumor mill has it at current loss of $4B). If you believe the reports in the media Melvin has had to go ask for money from other institutions. Thus bigger fish would now be involved as they are putting money out to Melvin.

> The high frequency traders who have the Robinhood data are making money on every Buy GME order and will make money on every sell when this bubble collapses.

-- Agreed i said as much in my comment that people will make money on it - some retail some institutionals.

> It is wrong to present this as a populist uprising.

-- Disagree. This is a trade that at its core is a sentiment of disenfranchisement, anger at wall street short sellers, financial establishment - and of course with the hope of making money.

> This is an incredible fluctuation, a hilarious anomaly, but it is nothing more than that. It will have no lasting impact.

- Agree - most likely - it will however make wallstreet institutional short sellers think more carefully about their positions. There will be impacts but doubtful anything transcendent on the markets. If anything SEC will investigate Wallstreetbets traders as opposed to doing anything to Wall street (which has been having carte blanche under the last administration's effort to neuter the SEC).

> I firmly believe that the hedge funds that held GME short positions have bought into GME to mitigate their exposure. They likely bought in algorithmically using robinhood data and are making money off of retail right now.

-- Might be, however the losses they took at the beginning on their position were pretty steep to jump right back into the pool.

> My message to the people here: /r/wallstreetbets is not a gameshark. You are still playing their game. You are still playing a rigged game and you are still losing.

-- I don't think anyone has allusions that the tables have turned. This is more like the chance for this one time give a giant F U to wallstreet who has been perceived to be making money off the backs of the population without any care at all from retail investors.

Re:GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine by majormajor on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @04:18PM (#25934086)
How much of "wall street" would lose major money off this? Just a few hedge funds? Is that even that meaningful in the long run or big picture?
Re:GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine by jermeh on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @05:17PM (#25934851)
It's worth noting that these funds blowing up causes large sell-offs of their other holdings, which can in turn cause prices of those assets to fall. Falling prices can cause more sell-offs, and can spiral. Nobody really knows what's going to happen as a result of this since it's pretty unprecedented. IIRC the SPX is down ~3% and VIX is up 60% today.
Re:GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine by majormajor on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @05:57PM (#25935323)
"A few firms losing a bet can spiral into huge effects," if true, sounds like a really, really, really good argument for eliminating higher-risk instruments.

"We don't know how bad things we could get if we are wrong" means you're doing something you shouldn't be.

Re:GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine by nightowl_games on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @02:19PM (#25932568)
Fair assessment.

I am just pushing back at the narrative that this is a "win" for the little guy and a "loss" for wall street.

Retail investors putting money into the market _at all_ is a net win for wall street _every time_ imo.

Re:GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine by ds206 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @04:38PM (#25934341)
> Retail investors putting money into the market _at all_ is a net win for wall street _every time_ imo.

This is what I think to myself everytime I see one of those Acorn ads.

Re:GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine by freeone3000 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @05:00PM (#25934626)
What's the other side, though? Putting it into savings, at 0.5%? Forex?

The game is rigged against you, but you're still better off if you play.

Re:GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine by boringg on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @02:59PM (#25933128)
Don't disagree with you - the markets are heavily balanced in favor of entrenched players who have informational, scale and timing advantages (ie wall street). I do think that there's something else at play here ... we will have to see what happens over the next couple of weeks as things shake out.
Re:GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine by boringg on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @03:00PM (#25933149)
Also - Citron has already said that they will take this trade into account in how they allocate in the future. I don't think this will really change anything though.