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Re:Tesla’s charging stations left other manufacturers in the... by slg on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:24PM (#25930953)
Then if and when you finally get through all that, you are likely charging at a much slower speed than a Supercharger.

Using a Supercharger is even easier and more seamless than refueling with gas. Other EV chargers are generally much worse than gas. I hope they get there eventually, but right now it is a night and day difference in my experience.

Re:Tesla’s charging stations left other manufacturers in the... by cogman10 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:02PM (#25931504)
Agreed. I don't care too much about the charge time or cost myself as even with the hiked rates, charging is generally comparable or cheaper than a gas fill up (which only strikes on road trips for me).

What I really care about is how much time I'm interacting with the charge equipment. It sucks to be standing outside in the freezing cold waiting for your card to maybe get accepted only to find out that for some dumb reason the machine decides to decline it (forcing you to use an app which you likely don't have).

There's no reason all EV charging can't be a better experience than gas charging. There's already a data line established when you plug in (Both CCS and Chademo have data lines) so it should be beyond trivial for there to be a standard payment scheme (It should have existed from the start).

Re:Tesla’s charging stations left other manufacturers in the... by caf on Thursday January 28, 2021 @02:32AM (#25939191)
ISO 15518-2 does specify a "Plug and Charge" scheme. Tritium's chargers support this at least.
Re:Tesla’s charging stations left other manufacturers in the... by theshrike79 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:15AM (#25939464)
> Then if and when you finally get through all that, you are likely charging at a much slower speed than a Supercharger.

That depends completely on the charger. "Normal" DC charging stations are 50kW around here.

HVDC chargers go up to 350kW, but not many cars can utilise all of that, most cap out at 75-100kW.

Re:Tesla’s charging stations left other manufacturers in the... by beervirus on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:02PM (#25931507)
It's easier and more seamless, but it's also a lot slower to fill up. I guess that's why the car has Netflix...
Re:Tesla’s charging stations left other manufacturers in the... by cogman10 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:04PM (#25931537)
TBH, the charge time hasn't really bothered me. I've got a phone which I can surf the internet on or netflix in the car. Most charging spots are usually near enough to food or bathrooms so I can generally grab something to eat or use restrooms.

If you plan things out well, you generally don't end up waiting too long for fast charging.

Re:Tesla’s charging stations left other manufacturers in the... by theshrike79 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:17AM (#25939473)
In 99% of cases you don't need to specifically wait for the car to charge. You can go do your shopping, grab lunch, smoke etc. Stuff you most definitely can't do while refueling a car =)