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Re:IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from bei... by titzer on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:11AM (#25929991)
A close friend of mine filled his house entirely with furniture, including couches, from the 1800s. Antique grandfather clocks, pianos, tables, armoires, etc. Not surprisingly, this person is highly skilled with wood and works at a small furniture shop that makes high-quality tables and chairs.

Things made out of wood can last centuries. There's no need to further accelerate our throwaway culture with throwaway furniture.

For this reason primarily, I hate IKEA and do not buy from them. I prefer to buy actual furniture made by actual people. Reward local artisans, businesses, and shops and avoid waste. Reject globalism. It is what is eating the planet.

Re:IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from bei... by Kalium on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:52AM (#25930464)
An interesting proposition!

In 2008, I was on my own for the first time. I had to furnish my first apartment into livability. A family friend gave me a $300 gift card to IKEA. That gift got me a fully functional one-bedroom apartment that I could never have afforded at the time.

Now, as a well-paid adult advanced in my career, I can afford to buy high-quality things. I do this knowing full well that I'm buying status symbols. I'm a little skeptical that a highly skilled woodworker's output would have been available to 2008 me, or the modern equivalent, but I would love to be wrong.

Re:IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from bei... by titzer on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:27PM (#25931004)
Sure, nice things usually cost a premium. But used, secondhand stuff can be affordable too. There should be an economy of downcycling that allows for more affordable stuff, too. I just don't think that IKEA is that.

Case in point. When I moved in 2013 I had a ~$1500 dining table that I had paid $800 for. Due to the abruptness of my move, I ended up selling it on Craigslist for something like $200. Keep an eye out for deals, I guess?

BTW none of the 1800s furniture that my friend collected were particularly expensive. Just always looking for good deals and willing to driving 200+ miles for them.

Re:IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from bei... by Kalium on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:28PM (#25931866)
> There should be an economy of downcycling that allows for more affordable stuff, too. I just don't think that IKEA is that.

You're absolutely right! There often this. This is rarely anywhere near the IKEA price point, though. A dining room table for $200, however nice, would have eaten up two thirds of my furnishing budget. How does one manage chairs, a bedframe, and so on of good quality for $100?

It's not been my experience that a person can do that by being willing to drive hundreds of miles and owning a car, but YMMV. IKEA lets you do this reliably, and offers delivery services.

When your answer to "How do I furnish?" is "Do without until the perfect deal comes along", do you think it might be worth considering that your answer might not be great for everyone?

Re:IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from bei... by cgriswald on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @02:17PM (#25932549)
The niche IKEA fills isn't "cheap but functional", it's "stylish, but cheap."

Why would you buy an IKEA table and chairs for ~$120 when you can buy a folding table and chairs for less? The folding table and chairs are not only more durable, but they can also be used in the future for other purposes after you replace them as your main dining room furniture. They store better. They last forever. (My grandmother plays cards with her friends on such tables that are older than my parents.) The IKEA table and chairs you get are inferior in every way except one: style.

> When your answer to "How do I furnish?" is "Do without until the perfect deal comes along", do you think it might be worth considering that your answer might not be great for everyone?

This is probably the best answer for most. No answer will be right for everyone. For instance, someone trying to entertain clients in their home will need better than a folding table for dining.

When you're starting out: buy inexpensive, durable, and multipurpose for anything you can't do without, otherwise go without until you can afford to get the right piece.

Re:IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from bei... by citrusybread on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:13PM (#25931644)
>Just always looking for good deals and willing to driving 200+ miles for them.

for a lot of us city dwellers, that already makes it unaffordable.

I think the Buy Nothing movement is really accelerating this trend of trying to connect people to drive the recycling community. Don't throw out old furniture, your local Buy Nothing group will be full of people happy to rehome it.

Re:IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from bei... by hansvm on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:20PM (#25931758)
I was just about to chime in to say something similar. Even if you have a vehicle which can move furniture and a day to blow picking it up, you're gonna pay at least $40 just in gas for furniture which, from the sound of things, isn't that much cheaper per piece than the entire bedroom set they had purchased.

Not to say that I haven't done that before. In the right circumstances it can be a good decision, but I don't know that it's a general purpose replacement for IKEA.

Re:IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from bei... by pvarangot on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @03:59PM (#25933863)
My problem with antique hardwood furniture is that the logistics of delivery and assembly are sometimes too much for me to handle. If I hire movers and a carpenter to assemble it gets expensive and out of my reach very quickly. I'd love to learn some carpentry and also how to drive and also get a truck, but I don't love it as much as I love my other crafty or spending based hobbies, and I don't have room for a shop or parking space for a truck.

Most of my IKEA stuff can't even leave the room it's in without disassembly. I just leave them behind when I move or actually have to pay for someone to dismantle them and take them away from the place. Not sure if they sell them as scrap or as furniture but it's cheap because they get to keep whatever they helped me get rid of. Also sometimes I've just put it for free on Craigslist and they last days and get taken.