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Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by ksec on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:07AM (#25927225)
Good, but not quite Good Enough.

1. Intel single Q4 is double the revenue of AMD FY 2020.

2. On Consumer they have their Laptop APU launch along with decent GPU lineup against Nvidia. But this translate to 20% YoY. Compared to Intel 10%+ YoY. Remember AMD's baseline is a lot smaller. 10% growth from AMD and 10% from Intel is quite a bit different.

3. Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom looks good on paper with YoY. But reality is that PS5 and Xbox contributed more. Which means Server Sales still isn't anywhere good enough. Intel has been defending their territory exceptionally well, as shown with their latest report with large decrease of ASP.

This isn't just some supply constrain. It is also AMD needs to do better forecasting. Although arguably AMD is conservative in nature due to not so long ago they were on the verge of bankruptcy.

What is exceptionally good though was their profitability. Even excluding the one off Tax benefits. Their Net Income in 2020 increased by 5X!

Edit: Just checked in 2019 they were paying down their debt, which was partly why their net income were low. So 2020 is a true reflection of their profitability. All of a sudden their stock price doesn't look so insanely high.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by AshWolfy on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @07:39AM (#25927482)
Remember that intel's cpus is just one division in a much larger company, where amd is mostly just cpus and gpus, so any comparison of revenue is going to make intel look much better
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by ksec on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @09:55AM (#25928926)
Doesn't make that much difference really. Intel doesn't have GPU market either.

Intel Client and DC are still vast majority of their revenue. Using the example I gave, just these two are $17B in Q4 and $66B in FY2020, vs AMD $9.8B in FY2020.

They need to work on their DC sales. As I have been saying since 2018.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by jeffbee on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @10:00AM (#25928984)
Intel owns the overwhelming majority of GPU unit share. They just don't have much of the mind share.
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by friedman23 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @02:11PM (#25932473)
iGPU and discrete GPU market shouldn't be compared imo. They don't cannibalize eachother.
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by totalZero on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:50PM (#25931342)
This is factually inaccurate. $66.2B of Intel's revenue for 2020 came from datacenter and client computing.

https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1439/...

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by agumonkey on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @08:48AM (#25928174)
Also what about revenue evolution. If intel used to be 4x and and now only 2x, its a whole different picture.
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by beezle on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @10:54AM (#25929752)
They don't break out specifically cpus but seems that is well the lions share

https://businessquant.com/intel-revenue-by-segment

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by jraby3 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @08:48AM (#25928184)
Paying down debt shouldn’t affect net income. That’s a balance sheet item.

If you earn $100, and keep it or use it to pay down debt, net income is still $100.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by ksec on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @09:57AM (#25928948)
That is Operating Income. Net Income takes out everything.
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by marcosdumay on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @02:05PM (#25932377)
If you start the year with -$100 in assets and end it with $0, that's $100 net income.

It doesn't matter much if you add to a negative debit or a positive bank account. If AMD was investing into some non-formal asset (brand awareness, R&D, etc), the numbers would change, but that's not the GP's scenario.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by dkjaudyeqooe on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @03:42PM (#25933650)
The only way paying down debts can affect income is by reducing interest expense, which would make income go up. If a debt was written off by a lender and would no longer be collected, that would affect income (although that's not "paying down") and would also increase income.
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by lumost on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @09:25AM (#25928594)
One thing intel does have going for it is by and large excellent linux support for systems built on their hardware. While I haven't worked with the server side AMD gear, the state of AMD laptops and linux leaves a lot to be desired.

It'll be expensive for AMD to close the software gap between both Intel and Nvidia.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by dharmab on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @09:39AM (#25928775)
When was the last time you used AMD on Linux? The intree amdgpu driver is so much easier to deal with than the out of tree nvidia driver and gets support for new hardware much faster than the nouveau driver.

There was even a period of about of month last year where nvidia didn’t support the new kernel.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by danieldk on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @10:47AM (#25929632)
And when comparing to Intel, which is usually well-supported by Linux: the kernel-side Intel GPU support had several nasty bugs that persisted through the first few 5.x kernel releases leading to graphics lockups.

https://linuxreviews.org/Linux_Kernel_5.5_Will_Not_Fix_The_F...

My Intel NUC8i5BEH would regularly have GPU lockups and it took them several months to fix the issues.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by bavell on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:33PM (#25931080)
I still get these lockups to this day, even on 5.11 and my i5 6600k. Looking forward to a 5950X when I can find one!
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by mywittyname on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:52PM (#25931363)
How are data centers with large CUDA offerings handling the situation with nVidia driver on Linux? Running them on Windows?
Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by dharmab on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:57PM (#25932275)
At my company we run LTS kernels and rebuild the driver ourselves every time we push a kernel update.

On home systems, Arch Linux provides a system to automate the module generation [0], however features like CUDA break sometimes. [1]

[0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_S...

[1] https://archlinux.org/news/nvidia-45528-is-incompatible-with...

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by olau on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:03AM (#25929871)
I ran Intel on desktop for many years partly for that reason, partly due to much lower idle consumption, but to be honest, while full of features the Intel graphic drivers were for a long time (several years) a little bit buggy. I wasn't super impressed with that.

I recently switched to integrated AMD graphics, and the only problem I had was occasional render artifacts. Yes, a bit scary, but in practice only an occasional cosmetic problem. I think those disappeared completely some time ago. This is on a stock kernel.

The only graphics-related problems I have these days are with Wine and some old games, where it looks like there's a difference between what Wine emulates and what it expects to get directly from the 3D driver, e.g. with regards to old 16 bit color modes that I suppose the AMD driver simply doesn't bother with.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by danieldk on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @10:44AM (#25929580)
One thing intel does have going for it is by and large excellent linux support for systems built on their hardware. While I haven't worked with the server side AMD gear, the state of AMD laptops and linux leaves a lot to be desired.

What? I have a Thinkpad T14 AMD and even though it has only been on the market for a few months, it's Linux support is excellent. Everything, including the GPU, works perfectly fine.

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by klelatti on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @09:43AM (#25928815)
One anecdote: I've been using AMD's CPU OpenCL SDK for a while now as the Intel equivalent was a pain to install. Intel have now made it a lot easier so moved to Intel and the performance increase has been ... very material.

And of course that would mean that I'm more likely to use Intel hardware in future as reasonably sure the Intel drivers don't work with AMD CPUs - so sadly no EPYC for me!

Re:AMD Reports Q4/FY 2020 Earnings: Record Revenues Repeat by uncledave on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @09:29AM (#25928646)
Surprisingly the only laptop I’ve ever had work reasonably well on Linux was an AMD based one (T495s).