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Re:Topology 101: The Hole Truth by hammock on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @06:29PM (#25922295)
So does this mean that a sock has ZERO holes, or HALF a hole? Because if you were to cut the sock to flatten it, your cut would only have to go from the top to the bottom of the sock, but not back up again - it's not a "complete cut."

Note: If you are having trouble visualizing this cut with a sock, replace it with a paper cone.

Re:Topology 101: The Hole Truth by coffexx on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @07:17PM (#25922662)
Imagine its made of putty instead of fiber. See if you can squish and stretch its surface in your mind into a sphere or flat shape without tearing it. You'll see the sock is homeomorphic with those shapes and there are 0 holes.

Likewise see if you can imagine squishing and stretching a putty coffee mug or a straw into a torus. They both have 1 hole. Like this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9NlqYr6-TpA/maxresdefault.jpg

Re:Topology 101: The Hole Truth by hammock on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @08:14PM (#25923067)
Whoa that coffee mug image is great and blew my mind
Re:Topology 101: The Hole Truth by drdeca on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @06:44PM (#25922409)
A cone surface is topologically equivalent to a disk. You don't have to cut it at all in order to flatten it, if you allow as much stretching and bending as you want. So, 0 holes.

If you want to consider a more restrictive collection of modifications, like, say you want to preserve angles or something inside the shape, then that would be a different question. Uh, I guess if you had a surface which was generally smooth but possibly has some boundaries and/or corner edge things, and/or corner point things (e.g. sticking two cones together), you could also ask about how many cuts combined with conformal maps [edit : I think conformal maps isn't the thing I'm looking for. Yeah, I think I'm looking for something related to developable surfaces maybe] would be needed to flatten such a thing out? (so this could maybe produce a similar question for which the one or half or whatever cut between the edge of the cone and the center, could be an answer?)

Re:Topology 101: The Hole Truth by hammock on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @08:15PM (#25923074)
That makes sense, I didn't realize we were allowed to stretch and bend however we want. Seems weird to be allowed to take a 3D object and contort it into 2D.
Re:Topology 101: The Hole Truth by Koshkin on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @10:26PM (#25923870)
But it is not a 3D object, it is in fact a 2D object embedded in the 3D space. (So, what you are looking at is the result of an arbitrary “projection” of one into the other - a map, in mathematical terms.)
Re:Topology 101: The Hole Truth by hammock on Thursday January 28, 2021 @12:40PM (#25945446)
That helps me think of it
Re:Topology 101: The Hole Truth by Koshkin on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @06:45PM (#25922421)
> cut the sock to flatten it

From the topological standpoint, you do not need to cut the sock for this - it is already “the same as” (homeomorphic to) a piece of the plane surface.