Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by sandworm101 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @10:35AM
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Parking spaces yes, but there are far more complicated issues. Look at the size of this thing. Just imagine the maintenance needed to keep it safe. Who knows what environmental evils are in there (asbestos, oils, paints). Either find the millions per year to keep it as a museum piece, or demolish it safely now. Only then does the question becomes what will that space be used for. If you have no other use, ya, it can be a parking lot. It is not being demolished to create the parking lot. It is being demolished because it needs to be demolished. To what use the then-vacant land shall be put is a different story.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by sandworm101 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:57PM
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>> I don't see any reason for anyone to be sentimental about this thing.
I wouldn't say that anywhere near nasa. Lots of people worked in these structures doing amazing things. They probably have very fond memories of their time with them.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by toomuchtodo on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:30AM
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These are all great points, but perhaps NASA could capture and archive enough images that it could be recreated in the future for virtual experiences using 3D reconstruction. The only thing you're out for such an effort is someone's time and S3 storage costs.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by rob74 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @10:48AM
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The article isn't really clear, so: this is just about the platform, which is one of three built for the Apollo program and then reused for the Space Shuttle. They are demolishing one of them (MLP-2), because they still have two of the "old model" (MLP-1 and MLP-3) and soon two new ones (ML-1 and ML-2). The article doesn't distinguish between the platform and the crawler-transporter which is below it in the photo - those are still needed (and also in the National Register of Historic Places), so not going away any time soon...
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @02:31PM
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This is the important bit I needed to know to not really care about this news. The crawlers are cool. The launchpads are things rockets sit on which can also sit on the crawlers.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by headcanon on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:03AM
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Sounds like its just sitting there taking up space and ought to be decommissioned, and its too big for a museum piece. Documenting the history should be enough. This is a good thing, because it means the area is busy, and that means more stuff going to space.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by dclaw on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:35PM
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I think the idea that they are tearing it apart to make use for parking spaces is a bit overblown. It's not parking spaces for cars, it's parking spaces for these platforms, which they are building more of. Due to their shear size, there's only so much room to store such things.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by anonymousiam on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @04:04PM
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Lots of space down at NASA/CCAS, and nearly all of the original launch pads are still intact (but in a state of decay). There is historical value to everything, but it must be weighed against the need for modern facilities. Sure there were some historic launches from MLP-2, but IMHO that does not justify turning it into a museum. There's a nice museum (and rocket garden) just a few miles away at the Visitor Center.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by pdonis on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:48PM
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The article says the old MLPs were phased out because they couldn't support the weight of the Space Launch System, but from the figures I can find, SLS isn't as heavy as the Saturn V was. (And also doesn't boost as much payload to either LEO or TLI as Saturn V did. Sigh.)
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by jostmey on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @10:55AM
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I say good! I am tired of hearing about the “historic” space program. It is a reminder of what we have not achieved in the decades since then. It’s time to focus on what will be done, not what was done
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by ed25519FUUU on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:41PM
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They could make a killing creating "souvenirs" from the scrap metal. I'm sure many people would love to own a little piece of history. But where to store all of the pieces?!
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by medium_burrito on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:45PM
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Us taxpayers dodged a giant museum-shaped bullet. Seriously, it's great to have historic stuff, but we have more of these things, and they aren't exactly pinnacles of architecture, noted cultural venues etc.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by ars on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @12:03PM
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Is it? The thing is huge - and unless its safe enough for kids to crawl all around the inside of it (which I doubt), how exactly would you make it into a museum, when it's so large you can't even see hardly any of it?
Are people supposed to just stand on the ground and look up?
Also, where would you put it? Popular museums are usually in reasonably settled areas, there's just no space for something this large.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by stretchcat on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:47PM
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Lots of warships are now museums, and those were never intended to be kid safe. Just rope off the sketchier bits and tell people to be careful. Not everything needs to be totally safe. A little danger builds character, whether it's falling off the monkeybars or knocking your head when jumping through a narrow hatch in a submarine (that hurts!)
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by dblohm7 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:00AM
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It wouldn’t be useful to them. Among the modifications they made to pad 39A, SpaceX built their horizontal assembly building right where the crawlerway approaches the pad.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by dangerbird2 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:39AM
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Probably not. Falcons are assembled and transported horizontally, thus don't need a mobile launch platform. Starship will probably be too big for it, and will probably need its own solution for assembly given its unusual launch and landing profile.
Re:Historic NASA Launch Platform Will Be Demolished
by gpm on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:28PM
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So far the SpaceX Starship solution seems to be commercially available cranes, commercially available "roll lifts" (flat beds with a lot of independently controlled wheels [1]), and simple launch sites that don't move around on land.
I have to imagine that SpaceX's solution is orders of magnitude cheaper than maintaining this giant custom vehicle NASA made.
I wouldn't say that anywhere near nasa. Lots of people worked in these structures doing amazing things. They probably have very fond memories of their time with them.
The Crawler-Transporter is the thing that carried the mobile launch platform.
Are people supposed to just stand on the ground and look up?
Also, where would you put it? Popular museums are usually in reasonably settled areas, there's just no space for something this large.
Not to mention, how would you even get it there?
I have to imagine that SpaceX's solution is orders of magnitude cheaper than maintaining this giant custom vehicle NASA made.
[1] https://i.redd.it/wo6buoppcov31.png