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Re:The Battle of GameStop by piva00 on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @05:12AM (#25914183)
> I had a lot of peers who partied through college, skipped classes, hardly worked, majored in women’s studies / art history / literature / etc and still managed to live in the dorms, buy daily lattes, have the latest iPhones, etc.

That's what you get when your system is designed to give money easily to young people who don't understand the consequences of major financial debt.

Blaming this on the individuals is leaving aside that there are huge incentives to behave like that in the US: lack of financial education during formative years, a society based on consumerism and status, a society which provides easy access to a huge amount of capital through student loans.

From the outside it looks extremely predatory, even more when this easy money flows into universities increasing tuition prices, the same pressures on housing prices get in play here, with the difference that a mortgage is potentially dismissable if you go into bankruptcy.

Re:The Battle of GameStop by throwaway894345 on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @08:02AM (#25915308)
I agree. I typed this hurriedly and didn’t mean to imply that it was individuals faults in particular. It’s certainly society’s fault at large as you observe. Perhaps a bygone generation would have been more fiscally conservative. It’s absolutely predatory with respect to universities jacking up tuition costs with nothing to show for it with respect to educational outcomes.
Re:The Battle of GameStop by sokoloff on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @06:36AM (#25914649)
The mortgage is also often able to be discharged by selling or giving back the house as it's a secured loan. No one is lining up to give a quarter-million dollars to an 18-year old who has no track record of paying back significant loans, no current income to backstop such a loan, and where there would be no repossessable collateral in the event of a default.
Re:The Battle of GameStop by jedmeyers on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @01:32PM (#25919448)
> system is designed to give money easily to young people

Who exactly designed the system that way? Banks (aka capitalists) were not very keen on doing this exact thing for the risk reasons, and now the government ended up backing most of the educational debt for some reason (aka socialism).

Re:The Battle of GameStop by piva00 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:19AM (#25924927)
"Who?" is a very loaded question for a process that for happenstance ended up designed this way through the decades. It's not about a single designer, it's about a power structure that has been perpetuated by the elites on this power structure.

And I'm sorry, the moment you use "socialism" to describe the government backing private loans from institutions that are privately held you lost me. This is not even close to a semblance of socialism, this is your government trying to live by the ideology of "free market everything" and patching the holes created by this ideology with a more expensive (and dumber) solution.

If higher education was free for every citizen, subsidised by taxes, you could call it a socialist-ish policy. Having to pay "market price" for your education through government-backed loans to private banks is far, very far from socialism.

Re:The Battle of GameStop by throwaway894345 on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:16AM (#25930043)
> This is not even close to a semblance of socialism, this is your government trying to live by the ideology of "free market everything" and patching the holes created by this ideology with a more expensive (and dumber) solution.

I'm not an ardent capitalist, but I think education is an area that would have been better off without government tampering, or perhaps with less-clever tampering. The good bit about our student loan program is that it normalized higher education (perhaps too much to the extent that many would have been happier and more successful in the trades). The bad bit is that government put all risk on the students, allowing for students to elect into programs that wouldn't have a good return on investment--something that virtually no bankers would have signed off on. As a result, two things happened: 1. millions of students annually opt into careers with poor job prospects on the other side and 2. the price of higher education inflated (something like tenfold) to meet the availability of student loan money (and without any corresponding increase in value) because the system isn't steering students (and their loan money) toward programs that deliver. I think if we allowed students to default on their loans, we would see loan prices fall 80% or more ($8K instead of $40K).

Re:The Battle of GameStop by jedmeyers on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @01:31PM (#25931914)
> And I'm sorry, the moment you use "socialism" to describe the government backing private loans from institutions that are privately held you lost me

No, I am sorry. When government forces financial institutions to give loans to everyone applying without risk analysis it IS socialism, aka “democratic control over the enterprise”. No capitalist in their right mind would give hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for underwater basket weaving degrees and expect to see the money back.

Re:The Battle of GameStop by alisonkisk on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @09:54PM (#25937561)
We used to have socialized college education, taxpayer paid. Now we have capitalist loans paying for it, and borrowers pay high rates of interest for decades.

No one has a degree in underwater basket weaving.