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Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by sidlls on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @12:00AM (#25912747)
No, that's pretty much the issue. Voting isn't a technology problem; it's a funding and people problem like most political issues. Other countries--large, developed countries--don't take days to hand-count paper ballots, and the tallies don't need people blathering about audits and statistics for voters to have confidence in them.

The fact that it takes as long as it does in the US and there is still a fear that it's not secure or that it's suspicious--no matter how wrong that fear may be--is a problem. And it's not a "dumb normies need more education about statistics" problem. It's a problem created by forcing a "solution" that is unnecessary (paper ballots, counted by hand work fine) and unnecessarily complicated.

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Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by Paradigma11 on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @03:17PM (#25920555)
The way i see it voting machines mostly act as input validation to prevent faulty votes. US ballots can be quite complicated, it seems. The process still generates an auditable paper trail that is regarded as truth. Afaik there also have not been discrepances between the electronic and paper counts.

If people dont understand that printed paper ballots cant be changed by an air gapped electronic system you wont gain their trust anyway.

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Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by sidlls on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @04:00PM (#25920992)
The point is that the electronic machines aren’t necessary to have secure and trusted elections. Our ballots are more complicated because the counting technology is.

Electronic voting is unnecessary and unnecessarily complicated. Your response to this is basically “they’re too dumb to to understand and so don’t matter anyway.”

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Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by Paradigma11 on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @06:53PM (#25922481)
Afaik the ballots are complicated because you also have tons of stuff like sheriffs, judges.. on it. And sometimes a confusing ballot is better for one party to suppress the vote of certain populations.

"Your response to this is basically “they’re too dumb to to understand and so don’t matter anyway.”" No, my response is that a pure paper ballot system wont change a thing and would just shift the conspiracy theories to other parts of the system.

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Re:Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani by sidlls on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @10:24AM (#25929283)
The ballots may have more votes, but they aren't more complicated: they're lists of choices next to which a person makes a mark indicating a preference. The "complexity" there is still not a technology problem, it's a people and process problem.
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