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Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by mike_d on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:12AM (#25900237)
You can contact support by signing in as the domain admin to admin.google.com and clicking on the question mark in the upper right.

Do you have sales people? Enable any "mail merge" or "customer contact" apps lately?

Google rarely shuts down Gsuite domains without a good reason. If they really aren't telling you the reason - it is abuse related.

(Former Googler, opinions are my own, etc etc)

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by jamesrcole on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:23AM (#25900316)
> You can contact support by...

It sounds like they've already contacted support. They said "Google support is refusing to let us know what happened" and "no one is providing us any answers or providing support".

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by veeti on Monday January 25, 2021 @05:09AM (#25901499)
> If they really aren't telling you the reason - it is abuse related.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by easyas101110110 on Monday January 25, 2021 @05:11AM (#25901521)
That's absolutely, most definitely not Kafkaesque at all! ;)
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by koheripbal on Monday January 25, 2021 @11:05AM (#25904749)
Even if it was abuse related - it shouldn't just turn into the nuclear option of total and immediate company-wide shutdown.

It's amazing that Google doesn't get sued in a case like this, regardless of what's in the ToS.

If one of my employees did something bad, I would want warnings and ultimately a "hey, since your employees cannot behave, we're shutting your account as of <date> and have limited <functions> until then so you can migrate your company to another service.

This sort of binary response is why I will never commit to Google, and am increasingly evaluate the likelihood of ban when selecting cloud services.

Particularly since these bans are immediate, summary, and often based on algos, not humans.

...and this isn't just unfounded fear. We've had our Google My Business listings suspended when we had issues with our 2FA/recovery details. That was 4 months ago, and support also said they could do nothing, and My Business support never responded.

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by raverbashing on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:23AM (#25900320)
Whereas "abuse" might mean anything they don't like, like a picture on your drive, or a misconfiguration, etc

> Do you have sales people? Enable any "mail merge" or "customer contact" apps lately?

Cool so Google does not like what I do to my mailbox? I know, some of those apps are crap, but banning an entire org because of that?

Good to know that even paying customers are treated by Google as the product

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by mike_d on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:30AM (#25900382)
No, Google absolutely does not care what you do in your mailbox. They care when you shit in other peoples mailboxes.

I won't get in to specifics, but the first few times the user will get spanked. If you keep reenabling accounts that send spam, eventually the domain as a whole gets spanked.

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by gzipped on Monday January 25, 2021 @03:42AM (#25900907)
what i don’t get is why a terms of service violation default response is to lock the whole account down, rather than just restricting the account - for example stopping outbound email or moving to read only mode to limit the damage to people and their businesses.
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by mike_hearn on Monday January 25, 2021 @07:31AM (#25902400)
I used to work on this stuff, years ago. It seems arbitrary and harsh but makes sense in cold engineering terms.

The purpose of an account lockout is either:

1. Stop a clear abuser from trashing the network, e.g. by sending spam that will get Google IPs blacklisted (yes this happens, there are no special breaks for Google).

2. Challenge an account in such a way that false positives have a chance to 'clear their name' by doing things that serial abusers have difficulty with, like passing phone verification or in the good old days, solving CAPTCHAs.

Virtually all responses to service violations in the consumer world are (2). They're automated, people pass the challenge when they log in and never think about it again so you just don't hear about it.

Corporate services pose special problems. Companies expect to be able to automatically create large numbers of accounts using APIs, which is something not allowed for consumer accounts. The latter are carefully monitored, throttled, and ultimately the services may just refuse to let you create an account. Tough cookies. That doesn't work for GSuite domains where the administration is devolved, so what happens when spammers notice this and create such domains then add lots of users at once? Yes they're meant to pay, but some abusers can get past CC fraud checks and other mechanisms that would otherwise make this approach too expensive.

Unfortunately the rapid, automated nature of abuse means that the response also has to be rapid and automated. It's not as easy as saying, hmm, foobar.com looks suspicious, let's get a trained expert to mount an investigation. By the time the specialist has woken up and got into the office the attack is over already and you sent 10 million spams or hosted 50,000 phishing sites. That's the flip side of very scalable systems with convenient signup, in which the admins don't suffer any consequences of abuse they proxy or allow (i.e. when you buy GSuite part of what you're buying is Google's spam reputation). That's also why these stories so often resolve with an ending like "A googler got in touch and we're back in now". This creates the impression that the only way to get support is to flag it up on Hacker News or Twitter. That's sometimes true for consumer services where getting people to look at your case is harder but for companies with support contracts, it's often just due to the time lag involved between someone doing a manual investigation and resolving it.

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by danaris on Monday January 25, 2021 @10:12AM (#25904013)
> get Google IPs blacklisted (yes this happens,

This

> there are no special breaks for Google).

and this are not the same thing. There are absolutely "special breaks" for Google, particularly (though not solely) since they are now the server of choice for a huge percentage of the email being sent and received, whether @gmail.com or on Gsuite accounts of various types.

So even if there were some kind of massive spam event, Google isn't going to block emails from its own IP blocks or domains from reaching Gmail or Gsuite customers. And frankly, I would be shocked if any of the various DNS blocklists that people use for determining who's a dirty spammer would actually put a Google IP block on there without massive and obvious changes in Googles mode of operation.

Meanwhile, us mere mortals, if we dare to try to set up our own mail server, can be listed in a blacklist because of a) something the previous owner of the IP address did, b) something someone else in the same class B block did, or c) something that was never expected before, but now because of escalation by spammers, it's required without any documentation. And then the blacklist just doesn't respond to requests for reconsideration or elaboration because obviously, we're dirty spammers, and why should we be listened to?

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by mike_hearn on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @11:01AM (#25929852)
even if there were some kind of massive spam event, Google isn't going to block emails from its own IP blocks or domains from reaching Gmail or Gsuite customers

When I worked there it absolutely did do this. Yes it seemed stupid to me at first too, but all it takes to end up like that is to decide not to give yourself unfair special exceptions to your own policies, which is how things should be!

frankly, I would be shocked if any of the various DNS blocklists that people use for determining who's a dirty spammer would actually put a Google IP block on there

Be shocked. It did happen when a particularly clever spammer got through the controls. There are no bits of logic in most email servers that say "if IP is owned by Google, ignore". Spam filters are all relative. If senders send a lot more good mail than bad, they're good. If they send a lot more bad mail than good, they're bad. Google IPs are rarely blocked because they send a lot of good mail and invest a huge amount of money and time in keeping it that way.

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by Hizonner on Monday January 25, 2021 @09:06AM (#25903200)
In cold engineering terms, you should never put yourself in a position where somebody you don't control can shut down something you rely on, in such a way that you can't easily recover on your own. Especially if they're on a hair trigger to do it. This has been obvious from day one.
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by danaris on Monday January 25, 2021 @10:15AM (#25904041)
Unfortunately, in this day and age, that's effectively impossible to achieve for the vast majority of online businesses. Google, in particular, can destroy the ability of nearly anyone else online to do business, with no meaningful recourse, no accountability, and no consequences.
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by koheripbal on Monday January 25, 2021 @08:46AM (#25903017)
Google accounts have strict sending limits. It's unlikely that this was the cause of the org-wide account ban.
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by loosescrews on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:29AM (#25900372)
I think the implication is that the sales people may have been sending spam email outside of the organization.
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by na85 on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:26AM (#25900351)
>Cool so Google does not like what I do to my mailbox?

It's not your mailbox with Google.

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by lsiebert on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:25AM (#25900344)
You know, if I was providing support, I'd consider it a point to make it as easy for customers as possible to know what to do. Like if I banned them I'd include how to appeal/fix and how to get more info.
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by adimitrov on Monday January 25, 2021 @03:36AM (#25900859)
This is just a conjecture:

If it is indeed abuse related (whether there was any abuse or Google's algorithm just decided there was some abuse) then telling the abuser what got them banned is counterproductive from Google's PoV. Same reason reddit does vote fudging.

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by easyas101110110 on Monday January 25, 2021 @05:21AM (#25901589)
This is a dangerous equivocation of the guilty with the innocent, and throws away completely the notion of "Better X Guilty Persons Escape than that One Innocent Suffer."

Do schools or parents not teach philosophy or ethics to these FAANG employees?

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by Asooka on Monday January 25, 2021 @07:48AM (#25902526)
>Do schools [...] not teach

You haven't been to school this century, have you.

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by koheripbal on Monday January 25, 2021 @08:33AM (#25902918)
Not even this millennia.
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by ganafagol on Wednesday January 27, 2021 @06:47PM (#25935802)
In the previous one they used to teach that the singular form is "millenium".
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by lsiebert on Monday January 25, 2021 @06:25PM (#25910365)
Telling people what they did wrong so they can correct it is appropriate. You don't have to tell them how you detected it, and keeping them banned until they fix it is fine.

Also at minimum I'd think I'd allow them access to past emails as a default.

Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by alpaca128 on Monday January 25, 2021 @05:29AM (#25901654)
And if it's not abuse related a Google employee could just take a look at it and lift the automated ban if it was unwarranted. Too bad Google doesn't like having employees for anything that an AI can do with 50% success rate.
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by easyas101110110 on Monday January 25, 2021 @05:17AM (#25901561)
The culture of the people who make up these companies don't want to let anyone know what happened or let them appeal it, because they "know better" and are "in agreement" with unspoken rules such that adjudication would be "a waste of time." It's all about arrogance and fascist behavior towards users in the name of expediency and risk management. Unless someone is a celebrity, they're squished like a cockroach if they stumble into the "light" of algorithms or human review.
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by Rastonbury on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:29AM (#25900377)
As a paying customer I think at least a reason should be given so that the customer can remedy it? Honest mistake or not
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by ameyv on Tuesday January 26, 2021 @02:49AM (#25913496)
But they are not telling us what went wrong...So we are in dark. I have shared details with One Googler who is willing to help out. Will keep you posted here
Re:Tell HN: My entire company's Gsuite access has been banned by throwaway3699 on Monday January 25, 2021 @02:16AM (#25900262)
This is the correct answer OP.