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Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by happyweasel on Saturday January 23, 2021 @08:25PM (#25887952)
>For many obese people telling them to just do more sport and >eat proper is like telling a depressed person to just stand >up in the morning and go out or a person with social anxiety >to just leave the house. I.e. impolite, discriminatory, mean >and far of reality.

They need to cut calories and therefore must first be able to control their intake (counting calories). Then they can cut 400cals per day, If that does not work, cut 600-800cals. 200cal steps. This always works.

Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by belorn on Saturday January 23, 2021 @08:55PM (#25888212)
On a healthy person, reducing calories will work fine.

For a person whose body is pumping full of cortisol, thus pumping also with raised glucose and insulin levels, gradually cutting calories can results in even higher stress response, lethargy, disrupted sleep patterns, reduce satiety triggers, changed apatite towards fat and sugar, and a bunch of other problems that all contribute to the opposite desired effect of loosing weight. A body in panic mode will do about everything except loosing weight unless it is actually medically starving.

Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by dathinab on Monday January 25, 2021 @04:19PM (#25909050)
No it doesn't. Please do proper research on this, biased thinking like that is harmful for the society.

Edit: I also realized that there are major environmental differences, like where I grow up most people which where obese did try to eat less and do sport and as such the ones which are still obese are often not so because they don't eat proper and don't do sport but because they have other health issues.

Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by peaceanwar on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @03:22AM (#25998496)
It ALWAYS work for a person not having severe diabetes. In case of diabetes (at least type 2) it might actually help, but care is needed.
Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by dna_polymerase on Saturday January 23, 2021 @08:40PM (#25888095)
Yeah no. Don't do that. Your body adapts to low caloric intake and make weight loss wayyy harder than it needs to be.

Go on a low carb / ketogenic diet instead. You get to eat lots of protein and fat. You will automatically feel less hungry but also, once ketosis sets in you will have a surplus of power that you can uses for physical activity. Added bonus, your body will react to insulin again.

Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by peaceanwar on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @03:25AM (#25998509)
This adopting metabolic rate is way overblown. Yes it does happen, but somewhat slightly. For someone just aiming to lose weight, you don't have to think about this at all. Just be in caloric deficit, and adjust slightly if needed (usually not).
Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by hntrader on Sunday January 24, 2021 @11:58AM (#25893533)
Doesn't this violate calories in/calories out, or is that model only theoretical?

> Go on a low carb / ketogenic diet instead

Agree, it's the easiest way to lose weight. Cut out processed food, added sugars and rice/potato/bread, and the weight will drop off very easily. No need to count calories because it'll be very hard to eat too much as long as we cut out the above.

Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by grzm on Sunday January 24, 2021 @12:16PM (#25893694)
> Doesn't this violate calories in/calories out, or is that model only theoretical?

As often understood, the latter. Two factors (there are others): metabolism of fat, sugar, and protein are hormonally (such as insulin) and differentially dependent, as well as the storage of excess calories.

Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by NikolaeVarius on Saturday January 23, 2021 @08:50PM (#25888169)
No it doesnt. I lost weight by not eating. It worked just fine.
Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by dathinab on Monday January 25, 2021 @04:22PM (#25909089)
Just because there are cases where it does work didn't mean it works for everyone, there are more then a few well know well supervised cases which show that it don't work on all cases. Especially not long term.
Re:Overweight and healthy is a big fat lie, obesity study finds by peaceanwar on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @03:28AM (#25998523)
It guarantees works for everyone. I lost all my excess weight in just 2 months, first time ever in my life going on a diet. And as a physicist I was convinced from the start that a caloric deficit MUST work. It did.

Yes, what I can say it will be harder for some persons than others. The hormonal environment in the body can not be disregarded and can be either disrupted or genetically different. STILL, restricting your eating habit (caloric deficit), will.always.work.