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Re:Most surgeries are ineffective by pbsds on Thursday January 21, 2021 @06:27AM (#25857795)
> 5/ As Dr Ian Harris said, the unsaid attitude could be stated like: “you have to operate on patients quickly before they get better“.

Wow, really puts a new perspective on the usually massive wait times here in Norway.

Re:Most surgeries are ineffective by greenpresident on Thursday January 21, 2021 @06:44AM (#25857902)
I have spent some time in emergency receptions at hospitals waiting to be treated, often in severe pain. Here is what gave me hope every time: If it can wait, it can’t be that bad.

There are a number of injuries for which treatment has severely changed during my short lifetime. A torn ligament used to be operated on in the past but now you are often told to wear a cast for some weeks, take painkillers only when necessary to sleep so you avoid movements detrimental to healing during the day (it’s painful) and to just wait it out. Not X-ray, no surgery, just time to heal.

E: added an all important if to the third sentence.

Re:Most surgeries are ineffective by ehnto on Thursday January 21, 2021 @06:56AM (#25857979)
Same with clavicle fractures, I shattered mine and they used to immediately plate and pin it back in place, but I was given a sling and 7 weeks latter it had pulled it's myriad pieces back together without surgery .

The doctor said had he got that result from an operation operation he would have been thrilled.

Worth noting my hospital is a learning hospital, so it was a hot debate topic amongst the doctors and most of them were surprised they hadn't operated.

Re:Most surgeries are ineffective by jeofken on Thursday January 21, 2021 @06:34AM (#25857838)
Same in Sweden. I’d love to learn about how long queues are when health care is financed with tax (you are not a customer) like in SV/NO vs by the user like in Switzerland (you are a customer)
Re:Most surgeries are ineffective by peteretep on Thursday January 21, 2021 @06:48AM (#25857926)
Look at stats from Israel which has universal care but by private companies competing
Re:Most surgeries are ineffective by ArnoVW on Thursday January 21, 2021 @06:40AM (#25857882)
In fact this is not even unsaid. My mom suffered a transient ischemic attack last week.

To quote the surgeon: statistically she had a 15% chance of issues in the coming weeks. An operation has a 5% risk of complications, so normally we don't perform one. But 5 is lower than 15%, so let's do it.

Not sure of the math, because I assume the 15% is spread (non-linear) over the 2 weeks, and she was operated at the end of the window, but it is still amazing that all of this is possible.