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Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by atomashpolskiy on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @09:56AM (#25833959)
It's incomprehensible how anyone would not shudder from anger seeing such injustice or how anyone would be clueless enough to argue that centralized, uncontrolled power of any kind has the right to exist in our time. We should all be working hard on dismantling these barbarian relics of the past as soon as possible, even if only to let their innocent victims to stand in the shambles and breathe the sweet air of freedom once again in their lives.
Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by crispyambulance on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:14AM (#25834149)
It's ugly but it's not "incomprehensible".

They got a monarchy. That means something. The monarchy serves as a kind of sacred cultural identity and attacking the monarchy is like attacking the society itself.

Places like England have more evolved monarchies, where saying something against royals won't land someone in jail, but the same sentiment is there. The only way to "dismantle it" is to wait and do it in steps over generations. Even Thailand is doing that now. The royals are largely symbolic and don't exercise direct political power. But there's still a strong cultural attachment.

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by xenocratus on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:30AM (#25834364)
> Even Thailand is doing that now. The royals are largely symbolic and don't exercise direct political power. But there's still a strong cultural attachment.

Don't know how biased the Economist is on this, but they've had a number of articles talking about the increasing role of the current king. An example is linked below.

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2020/10/14/thailands-king...

https://web.archive.org/web/20210103234100if_/https://www.ec...

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by notahacker on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:46AM (#25834554)
Thailand has been technically a constitutional monarchy like the UK since 1932. But the constitutional role of a monarch is a lot bigger in a country which has had more coups than most countries have had elections in the time period since, and everyone involved has tried to claim their legitimacy comes from the monarch
Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:37AM (#25834454)
> Places like England have more evolved monarchies, where saying something against royals won't land someone in jail

... anymore. The last prosecution for that was in 1715 apparently. But it was illegal and probably still is; see also "Sedition". In a lot of countries, Lèse-majesté has only been scrapped from laws in fairly recent history (in part because it conflicts with the freedom of speech / expression codified in a lot of constitutions): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A8se-majest%C3%A9

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by iguy on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:32AM (#25834381)
It sounds more like they have a military government, who claim to act in the name of a king. And hence claim that any criticism of them is criticism of him. Against which there are both strong laws (even if these were seldom applied so strongly before?) and a cultural taboo (which otherwise a general appointing himself leader would not command).
Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by JRGC on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:25AM (#25834283)
the new king is not his father
Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by baron_harkonnen on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:40AM (#25834493)
> uncontrolled power of any kind has the right to exist in our time.

I honestly can't tell if this is satire or not anymore. Where do we not see this type of uncontrolled power?

Residents of the US live in a vast oligarchy where the elite define freedom as "the ability to change which feudal lord you work for", in a system where all lords serve the same master. Our "democratic" government is largely a spectacle which has little impact on the day to day lives of citizens despite how terrified they are of its collapse.

In the united states anyone who has too deeply radical thoughts will simply be unemployable, without a means of survival, healthcare or housing. The idea that employees of a company should have a say in the practices of the company is considered highest heresy. Even the times where some sort of worker union can emerge it's only to provided limited benefit to the workers.

The US has evolved a more sophisticated form of "uncontrolled power", one so powerful that even stating its existence is fought with controversy. At least in traditional monarchy you can find a way to life your live largely away these power structures, "heaven is high and the emperor is far away". Whereas the power structures in our own society literally mesh themselves in our flesh and minds. The best part is you cannot even question them (there's a 50/50 chance this very comment will be downvoted into oblivion).

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by bitcharmer on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @09:58AM (#25833973)
The same applies to blasphemy laws IMHO.
Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by ars on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:30AM (#25834365)
That need a bit of nuance IMO. Blasphemy in general doesn't need protecting.

But blasphemy targeting a specific person or institution is effectively hate speech, and there are good reasons to ban it.

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by iguy on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:37AM (#25834455)
Doesn't blasphemy by definition target a non-existent person?
Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by jacobr1 on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @11:45AM (#25835291)
You can craft the implication with clever rhetoric. You can imply that holding the lambasted beliefs would only be done by someone mentally-ill or mislead, maybe even the ideas are so ridiculous that it is likely those purporting to hold such beliefs are disingenuous and have more sinister motives.
Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by myWindoonn on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:03PM (#25835561)
Yes, but that decomposes into blasphemy (against a deity) and defamation (against a person). For example, Jehovah probably doesn't exist. That's blasphemy, but it says nothing about those who believe in Jehovah. It's optional to include defamatory swipes at believers.

For comparison, recall that Santa Claus also probably doesn't exist, and examine your emotions to see how you feel about the contrast between Santa Claus and Jehovah.

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by burrows on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:08PM (#25835645)
“Only a hateful racist Nazi-adjacent person could think that the gap between American black and white socioeconomic status is caused by degenerate, pathologically retarded black culture rather than ‘oppression’.“

Am I doing it right?

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by bitcharmer on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:50AM (#25834600)
Blasphemy - the action or offence of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.

It applies strictly to religion, not people.

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by burrows on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:36AM (#25834438)
> incomprehensible ... shudder ... anger ... such injustice ... clueless ... right to exist in our time ... dismantling ... barbarian relics ... innocent victims ... the shambles and breathe the sweet air of freedom

A robust, well reasoned argument aimed directly at the rational principle in the soul of each reader. Exactly the sort of comment I expect to see recommended by a community of educated, intelligent people.

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:39AM (#25834482)
Breathless Appeal to Emotion, or related to it anyway. Breathless comments are quite common on HN.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by fsflover on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:06AM (#25834061)
>to argue that centralized, uncontrolled power of any kind has no right to exist in our time

See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25828081

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by validuser on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:09AM (#25834091)
s/no right/the right?
Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by yrimaxi on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:15AM (#25834163)
Many people are fine with it when the centralized power is in the form of a corporation.
Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by baron_harkonnen on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @10:43AM (#25834519)
They fact that such an obvious comment such as this is immediately downvote here is the strongest evidence of the truth of this statement I can imagine.

We only question the authority of monarchy because we have moved on to a more powerful system of control. 500 years ago, when monarchs where publicly viewed as divinely ordained (a similar but less sophisticated ideology that create the idea that companies should be totalitarian) even questioning the right of a king to his thrown as seen as heretical.

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by Aunche on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:18PM (#25835794)
You're on a forum created by company whose goal is to create as many billion-dollar corporations as possible. It's unsurprising that its users do not appreciate such a reductionist take on corporations.
Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by baron_harkonnen on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:37PM (#25836073)
I hardly feel that claiming that corporations are able to exert the same type of non-democratic control over society as a monarchy through a complex system of ideological tools that make even pointing out the existence of such a power structure forbidden is reductionist.

And the idea that HN should be free from any critical or skeptical opinions of the current state of the tech industry is at least against the hacker spirit, which, for all of PGs faults, is at least part of the founding of this forum.

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by Aunche on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:57PM (#25836386)
The article is about a woman sent to jail for 43 years. The worst thing a corporation can do is stop giving you money. You can then join a worker cooperative if you wish.

Users are also free to downvote what they want. There's a good chance you'll be downvoted for defending corporations on Reddit, for example.

Re:Woman Is Sentenced to 43 Years for Criticizing Thai Monarchy by baron_harkonnen on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @02:59PM (#25838066)
> The worst thing a corporation can do is stop giving you money

In a late capitalist society a worker has no other means of survival other than to work for a corporation. In 1820, yes you could just go live on a farm and provide for you self but being cut off from a mean of living is not a small thing.

It idea that you can "just" be denied a means of living, and that this is no big deal is pretty laughable. You are quite literally paraphrasing Scrooges infamous speech about poorhouses.