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Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by andybak on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @05:37AM (#25831985)
It sometimes seems like each side of the UK political spectrum is convinced that the BBC is irrevocably biased in favour of their opponents. The Tory right want to hamstring the BBC ("Bunch of Bloody Communists" used to be the witty cry) and jump on it at any opportunity.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by captainbland on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @06:16AM (#25832285)
It seems impossible to imagine the BBC being truly unbiased when the government occassionally likes to show it has power over the organisation by sabre-rattling over continuing to allow the TV license fee. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/09/boris-johns...

Honestly I think it has a general pro-government-of-the-day-bias - as you say, 'used to be the witty cry', indeed! Under New Labour it was still broadly speaking pro-government (generally, it's never totally uncritical, just tending towards friendliness relative to the opposition of the day), it was just a different government with different values.

But people don't notice when something stops being biased against them if they've already stopped paying attention to it because they were previously put off by their perception of its bias, so many of these older perceptions of its bias still exist. This creates the illusion that there's bias both ways, based on people's claims, and that it therefore must be 'balanced'.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by aqsalose on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @06:56AM (#25832556)
I agree with your general thesis. However, this line got me thinking:

>It seems impossible to imagine the BBC being truly unbiased

Thought example. If there was a truly objective, unbiased source of information about political and physical reality, wouldn't it be far too valuable to put in charge of a news desk. They should be running the government in place of the parliament and politicians!

Of course, if you find the idea somehow troubling, this is to demonstrate that unbiasedness is actually more difficult concept than is sometimes given credit for.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by captainbland on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @07:16AM (#25832707)
Ah, but that wouldn't be enough in a democracy because people might choose to vote against it given the right conditions. Your best bet in that case might be to communicate it to the voters in some sort of news programme - taking us back to square one!

But in all seriousness I do accept that unbiased outlets basically don't really exist and it is an impossibly high bar. The reason I talk about this in the way that I do is not as some kind of campaign against the BBC: on the contrary, I think public service broadcasting is in general a good thing and frequently produces higher quality content than the vast majority of privately owned outlets, at least in the UK, despite its biases.

It's just that to me, everything has a bias, and it's important to understand what any particular outlet's biases are before you start accepting information from it. I'd say this is the one redeeming feature of our print media, despite how much crap they often produce, they are at least usually very open about their biases.

You can get a lot of good information out of the BBC news and politics programmes, but I'd say you do have to use a fairly critical lens to get the most out of it.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by denton-scratch on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @09:09AM (#25833502)
"Truly objective, unbiased source"

It's not possible to be an unbiased news reporter. The only thing we can wish for is reporting that wears its bias on its sleeve.

What is this "unbiased" reporting anyway? It can only mean that I happen to share the bias.

Any reporter who thinks their work is unbiased is a reporter who is unaware of their bias; which is much more dangerous than a reporter who is biased, and doesn't care who knows it.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by WolfRazu on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @06:12AM (#25832254)
I agree with this sentiment considerably. The BBC seems to get equal bashing from both sides of the political spectrum. I think therefore it's likely it's doing quite well in terms of impartiality.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by cameronh90 on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @07:56AM (#25833002)
For a laugh and good demonstration of this point, check out the replies Laura Kuennsberg gets to any vaguely controversial tweet.

Usually a solid amount accusing her of towing the party line, being friends with Boris, Tory mouthpiece etc then another bunch accusing her of being an example of how the BBC is full of leftie communists who want to reverse brexit. Both equally vitriolic.

The way she draws the hate from both sides is impressive.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by hyperdunc on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @06:51AM (#25832527)
It's partial to the status quo.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by arethuza on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @08:34AM (#25833250)
I'm a huge fan of the BBC but I couldn't help notice that during the last Scottish Independence Referendum there was definitely a bias - which I did conclude was simply a bias towards the current state of things.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by pjc50 on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @08:47AM (#25833356)
I take this "both sides" argument as a sign that actually it's just bad - platforming the most extreme people from both sides in order to get the best fight, as if this was Jerry Springer without the chair throwing, rather than a sincere attempt to get at the truth of the matter.

Edit: it's definitely going to get worse. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bbc-richard-s...

There is no way that anyone with that level of donation to any political party can ever pretend that they or their organisation is "impartial". Being a Brexiteer just makes it even more ludicrous and guarantees that all the ongoing problems and losses of Brexit will be hidden by the state broadcaster.

Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by DaedPsyker on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @07:55AM (#25832997)
I did agree with this sentiment for a long time but I have seen a shift towards failing to challenge conservative policies. I'm also quite critical of the number of Conservative members that have been made controller. There is a bit too much of revolving door between tory communications and BBC at the minute.
Re:TV detector vans once prowled the streets of England by vidarh on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @05:47AM (#25832064)
That used to be more of a thing, but the recent governments have politicised the control of the BBC in a way that was not nearly as overt in the past.