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Re:Order on Protecting Americans from Overcriminalization Th... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:33AM (#25830334)
> Really? Because the bible has all sorts of weird rules in it that seem kind of arbitrary and certainly not self-obvious.

Nobody said it was perfect, as they say.

> The principle is reasonable because otherwise everyone would just claim they didn't know regardless of if they did

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25830167

Re:Order on Protecting Americans from Overcriminalization Th... by bawolff on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:36AM (#25830358)
> Nobody said it was perfect, as they say

Not saying it is perfect or imperfect. Just saying the imagined time when all rules were self-obvious natural laws that could be logically deduced a priori, never existed.

Re:Order on Protecting Americans from Overcriminalization Th... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:40AM (#25830381)
The laws that were both actually enforced and reasonable basically were. I don't think we need to emulate things people historically said they would do even though they didn't, or did do but were unreasonable.
Re:Order on Protecting Americans from Overcriminalization Th... by bawolff on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:52AM (#25830457)
That seems circular to me. Surely most people follow the laws that seem reasonable to them. If everyone agreed on what was reasonable behaviour, we wouldn't need laws.
Re:Order on Protecting Americans from Overcriminalization Th... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @12:55AM (#25830474)
Basically everybody knows that murder is wrong but some people still do it.
Re:Order on Protecting Americans from Overcriminalization Th... by bawolff on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @01:11AM (#25830547)
People do try and argue its justified in specific circumstances. Sometimes people have an over-active imagination for what constitutes self-defense.

Hell, trump pardoned someone convicted of murder (which is disgusting, but i guess he thought it was reasonable).

But my main point is there was never a time or society where the only crime was murder.

Re:Order on Protecting Americans from Overcriminalization Th... by threatofrain on Tuesday January 19, 2021 @03:16AM (#25831088)
A Lot of people claim their bible is perfect, dontcha know...