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Re:When parties reverse their stance, supporters immediately... by Swizec on Saturday January 16, 2021 @10:59PM (#25807968)
You can be culturally catholic and support abortion. There’s even atheist catolics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism

Re:When parties reverse their stance, supporters immediately... by dragonwriter on Sunday January 17, 2021 @12:06AM (#25808312)
> You can be culturally catholic and support abortion

You can be religiously Catholic and support legal abortion, and do so without dissenting on any essential doctrine (though you’d be in tension with how the heirarchy tends to apply certain important doctrines.)

If you morally support abortion, you'd be in dissent, but doctrinal dissent isn't really unheard of among Catholics (even within the heirarchy.)

Re:When parties reverse their stance, supporters immediately... by joecool1029 on Saturday January 16, 2021 @11:41PM (#25808190)
>You can be culturally catholic and support abortion.

No actually, you can't. You can fit the broader definition of Christian but if you hold these views and profess to be a Catholic, you are in fact a heretic and can be excommunicated[1]. I see this fiction posted again and again on HN, and while it's not my intention to support or oppose the Church's viewpoint on this people should be educated and aware that they can't claim to be certain things if they aren't them.

[1] https://www.vatican.va/archive/cod-iuris-canonici/eng/docume...

Re:When parties reverse their stance, supporters immediately... by shadowgovt on Sunday January 17, 2021 @12:02AM (#25808300)
This is technically correct (the best kind of correct! ;) ).

In practice, there's a wide gulf between what the Church formally establishes as dogma and the adherence of individual Catholics. It's generally resolved as the Church holding the door open for forgiveness through a person's entire life, as long as penitence is a possibility. It's rare for the Church to excommunicate an individual Catholic (or even deprive them of communion) even for very public statements regarding their support of abortion.

Sometimes, the door is held open so long the Church's view on the topic changes and forgiveness is no longer needed to align the practitioner with the Church's stance.

Re:When parties reverse their stance, supporters immediately... by dragonwriter on Sunday January 17, 2021 @12:10AM (#25808342)
> if you hold these views and profess to be a Catholic, you are in fact a heretic and can be excommunicated

No, you can't, and nothing at your link supports your claim. Support for legal abortion (or the non-criminalization of anything; criminalization is not symmetric and there are cases where this wouldn't be the case for supporting criminalization of an act) is, where not obligatory, inherently a prudential judgement as criminalization always inflicts harm intentionally.

Moral support for abortion would be dissent from authoritative teaching, which is of a more serious (both doctrinally and in canon law) character, but that's an intensely different thing.

Re:When parties reverse their stance, supporters immediately... by tomnipotent on Saturday January 16, 2021 @11:45PM (#25808217)
This is for having an abortion, not supporting them. The later group is much larger than the former.
Re:When parties reverse their stance, supporters immediately... by confidantlake on Sunday January 17, 2021 @12:02AM (#25808301)
You don't even have to go to church to be culturally a catholic.