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Re:Signal is having technical difficulties by efwfwef on Friday January 15, 2021 @09:04PM (#25799218)
Just saying, but WhatsApp encrypt communications the same way Signal does, it's good enough for me.
Re:Signal is having technical difficulties by im3w1l on Saturday January 16, 2021 @12:03AM (#25800196)
WhatsApp uses dark patterns to encourage unencrypted cloud backups.
Re:Signal is having technical difficulties by tgsovlerkhgsel on Saturday January 16, 2021 @01:56AM (#25800632)
... and it doesn't matter if you know how to avoid those unless your friends also do so.

BTW, is there an authoritative source whether these cloud backups to Google Drive are unencrypted/encrypted with Google keys, or encrypted with keys held by Facebook?

I see no reason not to encrypt them the same as local backups (with a key that is held by Facebook, and provided to your phone once they verify your phone number).

The difference between these against the US government filing warrants is just one piece of paper, but against an attacker that compromises your Google account, it does make a significant difference.

Re:Signal is having technical difficulties by not_really on Friday January 15, 2021 @09:10PM (#25799276)
It absolutely does not.
Re:Signal is having technical difficulties by meibo on Friday January 15, 2021 @09:14PM (#25799298)
WhatsApp's encryption scheme was designed by Open Whisper Systems, which is now Signal, and even uses the Signal protocol library: http://www.cdn.whatsapp.net/security/WhatsApp-Security-White...

Of course you got all the metadata going to FB, but it's still a good messenger feature-wise for now, so I'll keep it as a backup in case my favorite privacy-conscious messenger is down again for 10 hours.

Re:Signal is having technical difficulties by orestarod on Friday January 15, 2021 @09:22PM (#25799360)
What good is e2e encryption that is essentially becomes mere in transit encryption, since WhatsApp will filter your messages BEFORE they are sent to see if it needs to take any action? (Which action is of course phoning home, outside the precious Signal Protocol)
Re:Signal is having technical difficulties by meibo on Friday January 15, 2021 @09:34PM (#25799429)
How is it in-transit encryption? How does Facebook decrypt it? Do you have any facts other than "it's Facebook, so it must be bad"?

There is no evidence that messages ever leak outside of WhatsApp via means other than potential unencrypted backups that you may or may not be using at a cloud provider not connected to Facebook or your IME.

If you're targeted by NSO or whatever nation state that would be interested enough in you to compromise you, you got other things to worry about.

Re:Signal is having technical difficulties by Spivak on Friday January 15, 2021 @09:37PM (#25799446)
I mean that argument applies equally to Signal since you have to use their client and the services are architected in the same way.

WhatsApp does filter messages on the client side but it’s stuff like submitting image hashes to the CP database. If Signal reaches the scale of WhatsApp they will be forced into doing this as well. And nothing in Signal’s architecture prevents this kind of data exfiltration the same as WhatsApp.

Re:Signal is having technical difficulties by tgsovlerkhgsel on Saturday January 16, 2021 @01:54AM (#25800626)
source?
Re:Signal is having technical difficulties by efwfwef on Friday January 15, 2021 @09:23PM (#25799366)
Unfortunately do you have anything to back your claim? Because there is a number of official sources pointing out that Whastapp uses the signal protocol to do both 1:1 and group chat