Re:Norway investigates 23 deaths in frail elderly patients a...
by teruakohatu on Friday January 15, 2021 @06:18PM
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> The Covid jab is to vaccines what IV saline is to drinking water.
I don't quite get this comparison. Are you saying the covid "jab" is almost a vaccine but isn't, in that saline is almost tap water (minus minerals/contamination plus 1% NaCl)?
Re:Norway investigates 23 deaths in frail elderly patients a...
by wsinks on Friday January 15, 2021 @06:23PM
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I think he's referring to how when you're really dehydrated, you give people IV saline because it is a much faster uptake. I honestly don't know the mechanism and am not looking up why right this minute, but my inference from his comment is he's claiming the COVID vaccine hits way harder than a normal flu vaccine.
I've already had an anecdotal report from someone who received the vaccine that it 'floored her' for an entire day.
I hope this helps your understanding.
Re:Norway investigates 23 deaths in frail elderly patients a...
by ahmedtd on Friday January 15, 2021 @10:23PM
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> That mRNA gets inside your cells and causes the cells to express a protein that is common to the virus.
That's what a standard vaccine with an attenuated virus does as well.
Re:Norway investigates 23 deaths in frail elderly patients a...
by konjin on Friday January 15, 2021 @10:32PM
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No viruses contain nucleoside-modified RNA or DNA.
If any virus did we would all be dead since they completely circumvent the immune system.
Re:Norway investigates 23 deaths in frail elderly patients a...
by dragonwriter on Friday January 15, 2021 @10:37PM
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No, we wouldn't, because the proteins of the virus are what the immune system responds to, not the genetic material.
And obviously the proteins coded for by such genetic material do stimulate immune response, otherwise mRNA vaccines would have no effect.
We should be scrutinizing it extensively because it is unproven technology being rolled out at an unprecedented scale for a virus that has an extremely low fatality rate.
In short: if we fuck this up in any way vaccines will become nonviable in the majority of the western world, and with good reason too.
Edit: since people don't seem to know what the covid jab actually is, but enjoy downvoting and flagging: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different...
In short: it does not use a weakened version of the virus like every vaccine up till now, it injects mRNA instead. That mRNA gets inside your cells and causes the cells to express a protein that is common to the virus. Other cells react to this by creating anti-bodies against that protein.
It is a misuse of terminology to call it a vaccine given that word has nearly two centuries of meaning, and if some people have a bad reaction to it then it drags down proven technology along with it. It is closer to temporary genetic modification than it is to regular vaccines.
That 95% of the anti-anti-vax crowd I've talked to have no idea about his bodes ill for scientific literacy and will make any possible backlash against it even worse.