Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men

Re:Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men by kennywinker on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:37AM (#25787738)

This is my first encounter with the term, so forgive me if I’m using it wring, but it feels like this convo was literally motte and bailey’d.

Op: don’t link testosterone and violence - the real problem is toxic masculinity not testosterone a thing all men have.

Someone: you’re not doing this, but toxic masculinity is a motte and bailey

Someone else: no it’s a well defined idea

You, moving the goalpost: how the term is used socially it is

If someone is using the term as you suggested, by all means call out their actions. But if they are not - as op did - why bring this up?

Personally I find the idea of toxic masculinity a useful tool to understand and categorize the things society is telling me i should aspire to, many of which are harmful to who I am personally

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Re:Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men by hydradiego on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:19AM (#25787973)

I thought the convo was: OP made an otherwise valid, neutral point, then bundled in a defense of a hotly contested phrase, purporting to tell us what it "really" means. jbboehr responded that this was a motte-and-bailey. UncleMeat was like, no it's not, so I tried clarifying what I thought jbboehr was getting at.

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