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Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by gst on Monday May 23, 2011 @06:16PM (#2577815)
The only valid argument that I'd find for glossy screens is that you can build them more robust than matte screens. For example, it's much easier to clean the glass on the new Macbooks compared to a matte screen, which you wouldn't clean with a normal towel. Another example is Lenovo's new X1 laptop that uses Gorilla Glass which should be even much more robust than Apple's screens. Still, I prefer matte screens, as the reflections on glossy screens are too much of a distraction for me.

Speaking of "out of touch" another issue with new screens is the format: On my old IBM/Lenovo X41 and X61s laptops the 4:3 screen format was perfect for the 12" screen. Although the screen was small I used the X41 as my main laptop for about half a year (without an external monitor). On my current X201 the 16:10 format is much worse: I'm a programmer, I don't need horizontal space, but vertical space. Even for non-programmers I guess that for reading web pages or other documents vertical space is also more important than horizontal space. With Lenovo's new X210 they've introduced a further step in the wrong direction by switching from 16:10 to 16:9.

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by bluekeybox on Monday May 23, 2011 @10:59PM (#2578481)
> I'm a programmer, I don't need horizontal space, but vertical space

Mostly agree, but my opinion on this matter was somewhat swayed after I started using :vsp in Vim on my 13" widescreen notebook (combined with a full-screen mode in iTerm). Not only had splitting the screen vertically right in the middle helped me recover the "lost" space, but it also forced me to wrap my code consistently to 80 characters, so now it looks/prints better. I guess the moral is that sometimes a bad thing can lead to something good.

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by jerf on Monday May 23, 2011 @11:49PM (#2578582)
On my 1920x1080 laptop screen, I can comfortably fit 3 emacs sessions side by side, all windows on the same process, all frequently further split one level horizontally. This is a lot of code. I generally only use 2 and have a shell on the left, which also comfortably fits, but if I need 3 I have it.

(I would generally consider the need to have 6 views of your source to get your job done a code smell, but it isn't always my code, and lately we've been doing some client/message-bus/server code where 6 starts to feel a bit constraining.)

Technically I'm still neutral on the emacs v. vim wars and they're both good editors. But looking around me, the vim users in my office really need to get better about buffer management. I'm sure vim can technically do everything emacs can do with buffers and splitting and windowing, but "nobody" seems to do it.

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by SoftwareMaven on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @02:10AM (#2578870)
Run your shell inside emacs and you get the best of both worlds. I invariably have my third column running two to five terminals.
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by ScottBurson on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @12:34AM (#2578685)
Ah! Another Emacs user who likes to spread 6 windows across a 1920-wide display. I knew I couldn't be the only one :-)

I use XEmacs with the 6x10 font, and can get three windows across, each 100 characters wide, all in the same frame (it takes a little fiddling to set up, but then I keep the session around a long time).

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by nunb on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @06:55AM (#2579373)
I use some revive mode code a friend wrote to revive my frame config.

Just like desktop-save, I do C-x S instead, and it saves all open frames, and the buffers they contain (no frame size or position though, afair).

C-x F to load in the rare event I need to restart emacs.

The code is at https://github.com/nunb/revive-mode-config

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by graywh on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @09:38AM (#2579730)
And when they show up in #vim, we try our best to help them. ;)
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by nunb on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @06:59AM (#2579384)
The problem with all these horizontal setups is that when looking at a screen for long periods of time, neck cricks are inevitable, and what's worse is that those cricks are just harbingers of future woe.

I strive to stay vertically and horizontally aligned to both my keyboard and my screen.

Even though I have a 1920x1080 monitor, I keep windows stacked in the center, and use multiple emacs frames rather than one frame C-x 3'd into multiple columns.

1440 pixels wide is about what I think is ideal at 1.5 feet of separation.

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by gaius on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @02:56AM (#2578959)
Same here (but C-x 3 in Emacs) - I am working on some code that mixes OCaml and C and it's nice to have the corresponding parts side-by side.
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by hcurtiss on Monday May 23, 2011 @07:55PM (#2578094)
Though I believe it's been covered here before, and a little off topic, I totally agree that screen proportion is another huge issue.

It's for this reason that I can't bring myself to upgrade my Lenovo X61t. A 4:3 1440x1050 12.1" screen is vastly superior to anything available today. God, how I wish the new Lenovo tablets came in 4:3.

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by candeira on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @06:55AM (#2579372)
I am still running a Toshiba Portege m200 for the same reasons: a 4:3 1440x1050 12.1" screen, a discrete gfx card (32M Geforce 5200). It's getting a bit long in the tooth, as it is a 2005 computer, but two keyboards and three batteries later, it still runs as new.

God, how I wish there were new 12" laptops in 4:3.

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by makmanalp on Monday May 23, 2011 @10:10PM (#2578391)
In my experience colours look more vivid on glossy screens than on matte ones. Although usually, especially for laptops that move around, I'd rather have the matte one. I wish every manufacturer offered both.
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by MichaelGG on Monday May 23, 2011 @09:32PM (#2578307)
I love my X201 tablet. It's the first laptop I've been physically attracted to. It's my first ThinkPad, and Lenovo totally won me over. At $2000 retail, I was hoping they'd keep such a professional work tablet going. But alas, no, the X220 tablet is a massive loss:

- Glossy screens (choose between touch and reflections, or less reflections but no touch) - Loss of 32 pixels vertically, for even wider display. No thanks. - Wider body. The keyboard was already full-size, a wider body helps nothing. - New battery that pops the laptop up in the back, instead of the nice flush battery that gave you a spine to grab onto in tablet mode. - Loses backcompat with the X201 UltraBase docking station - And still no HDMI.

And yet, if I want Sandy Bridge (instant gain of 20% clock speed), what're my options?

I was really looking forward to buying an X220 when they came out. Now, I'll sit and wait for some other vendor to get a proper lightweight work tablet out.

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by Adaptive on Monday May 23, 2011 @10:50PM (#2578461)
I have the x220 tablet (arch linux on it) with the multitouch option and it's definitely matte. I can't compare it to the build quality of the x201, but I'm pleased with the performance and display. 10W power consumption with wifi on after a bit of powertop2.
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by Adaptive on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @01:57PM (#2580850)
I've had some questions about the matte screen and will post this here for reference. I've compared it to my matte cinema display and my glossy cinema display. It's not as matte as the 'actual' matte display, but the x220 with multitouch layer would definitely count as a matte screen in my book. I'll try to get a picture up on the arch wiki.
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by uast23 on Monday May 23, 2011 @06:30PM (#2577853)
I did not understand seriously what kind of robustness you are talking about? Do glossy screens last longer than the matte ones? At least from the look of it, matte looks less fragile compared to glossy, although I am not sure if either of them is less fragile than other. Looking at matte is much easier to eyes. And as far as cleaning goes, cleaning the glossy one with towel will leave scratch everywhere! Isn't it?
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by gst on Monday May 23, 2011 @07:26PM (#2578010)
With a matte screen you have your thin matte layer directly over the screen. The matte layer itself offers no protection. So if something hits a little bit too hard against the screen, your screen will look like this: http://goo.gl/qSQxl

Cheap glossy screens have exactly the same issue, but more expensive glossy screens such as the ones in Apple's Macbooks or Lenovo's X1 laptop are basically a glass board right in front of the screen. So they are much more resistant against scratches and against other types of physical abuse.

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by uast23 on Tuesday May 24, 2011 @02:53AM (#2578950)
Oh I get it. You meant the screen/cover which goes till the edges, as in MBP. Yeah, compared to that, matte sounds more touchable.
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by chromic on Monday May 23, 2011 @06:53PM (#2577917)
It depends on the screen. A cheap glossy screen might scratch easy, but something like a macbook screen probably has a pretty good anti-scratch layer. Glossy screens tend to get dirty easier, but also clean a bit easier with readily available materials (e.g. paper towel + water).
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by ugh on Monday May 23, 2011 @06:55PM (#2577922)
It’s glass – not easy to scratch, at least compared to plastic. That’s at least true for all of Apple’s laptops except the Air.
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by ugh on Monday May 23, 2011 @06:54PM (#2577919)
I think glass is appropriate for touch screens – I wouldn’t really want to touch a plastic screen. I would never want a glossy laptop screen.
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by jeffool on Monday May 23, 2011 @08:28PM (#2578172)
The question this brings to mind for me: When will we be able to rotate laptop screens?

Obviously it's not a tech problem, and instead a matter of convincing someone this is a wanted feature. How do you go about such a campaign?

Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by jimbobimbo on Monday May 23, 2011 @10:53PM (#2578471)
It's called "tablet convertible" and been there forever.
Re:Glossy vs matte screens: why the PC industry’s out of touch by jeffool on Wednesday May 25, 2011 @02:55AM (#2583170)
Amazingly, I hadn't heard of that... Thank you!