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Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by heinrichhartman on Thursday January 14, 2021 @06:00AM (#25774922)
By choosing which markets you operate in and which products you develop you have a fair bit of influence which things are in your "financial interest".

E.g. creating a company with a business model which benefits from taxing CO2 emissions (Tesla) is morally great. Whereas having a business model which benefits from cheap oil (VW) is less so. Product decisions (electric vs. fuel engines) have a large effect on your long-term financial interests.

Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by catmanjan on Thursday January 14, 2021 @08:12AM (#25775894)
If Apple knew it could make more money in say for example, arms dealing, wouldn't it be obliged to pivot to serve the shareholders? I guess it's somewhat democratic as shareholders could vote against it for moral reasons
Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by kmeisthax on Thursday January 14, 2021 @10:37AM (#25777581)
No. The common refrain of "but publicly-traded corporations have to maximize shareholder value" is a myth, not a law.

There are bits in the law about management having a fiduciary duty to shareholders, but that mainly means that they aren't supposed to be stuffing their own pockets at the expense of investors. There's a wide birth for management to decide what kinds of profit are and are not worth it.

Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by fennecfoxen on Thursday January 14, 2021 @09:25AM (#25776583)
It’s never just about “more money”. It’s about time-discounted, risk-adjusted “more money”. Doing morally repugnant things increases risk substantially. This is not the risk profile the owners signed up for.

This change may even depress the stock price directly as disgusted owners sell (this harms the ability of current shareholders to earn a return, as the loss is now but the future revenues are discounted).

The market is as moral as its shareholders, which is far less than perfection but a lot better than zero.

Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by greedo on Thursday January 14, 2021 @08:54AM (#25776249)
No. Not all corporate actions have to be aligned to maximal profit extraction.
Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by finnthehuman on Thursday January 14, 2021 @09:54AM (#25776972)
No.

The case in question is Dodge vs. Ford and rather than believe memes about it just read the darn wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

Re:Apple removes first-party firewall exemption in macOS 11.... by JadeNB on Thursday January 14, 2021 @10:31AM (#25777496)
> The case in question is Dodge vs. Ford and rather than believe memes about it just read the darn wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

I'm all for pointing someone to the sources, but let's not instill the idea that consulting Wikipedia is doing substantially more diligent research than looking at memes.