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Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by trianglem on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:27PM (#25768187)
> It’s even been suggested, too, that such hook-ups weren’t consensual.

I feel like a vast majority of hook ups in human history have been non consensual.

Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by lmilcin on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:34PM (#25768261)
You understand that half of people ever born lived during last two thousand years. 7 percent of people ever to walk Earth are still alive.

Prehistoric humans are actually small minority of all people that ever lived. It is estimated that about 1 to 2 percent of people who ever lived were born before advent of agriculture.

So, while prehistoric people lived for hundreds of thousands of years, the population tended to be very, very small.

Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by vbezhenar on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:36PM (#25768283)
We need to introduce human population inflation factor and normalize the numbers :)
Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by trianglem on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:40PM (#25768321)
When you apply a normalization like that I don’t think my statement is true anymore. But as a proportion of sex over any given time slice over time I still think it holds.
Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by kadoban on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @05:27PM (#25768840)
Is this based on any particular evidence though or just a feeling?

I don't think it's really guaranteed at all. Sexual behavior and courtship (or lack thereof) varies a lot over different species and I don't think I've personally seen much to indicate one way or the other what early human or pre-human behavior would have been.

Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by trianglem on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @07:51PM (#25770262)
Definitely feel, not evidence based.
Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by lmilcin on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @08:37PM (#25770659)
Is that based on reading of actual research or is this based on movies?

You know, movies are pretty bad at very easy and tangible things like physics. The can't adequately show very contemporary activities like hacking or programming. How accurate do you think is portrayal of prehistoric cultures in mainstream entertainment movies and TV shows?

Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by trianglem on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @09:10PM (#25770941)
Well that’s a patronizing comment. It’s based on research of how great apes act as well as readings on how hunter gather societies today function.
Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by dividedbyzero on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:29PM (#25768206)
A vast majority? How do you arrive at that conclusion?
Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by InitialLastName on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:35PM (#25768268)
By the modern standard of consent, as an example, the patria potestas [0] rules effectively meant a power imbalance such that all hooking up would be under duress.

I'm not arguing that anyone thought it was non-consensual then, because I don't think it's appropriate to try to apply modern emancipative thinking to societies of previous millennia, but one could certainly argue it.

edit: markup

[0]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patria%20potestas

Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by vuciv1 on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:35PM (#25768274)
I'd say it's a fair assumption given how much of the world has approached relationships for such a long time. Sex slaves, brothels, selling women off to be married, pillage villages and taking their women, etc..

Women couldn't vote in the U.S. until 1920. That's closer to today than it is to the founding of the country. These are relatively new and human history is much much older.

Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by snakeboy on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @05:26PM (#25768810)
Yeah, vast majority seems like a stretch. Back-of-the-envelope calculation:

Google says ~100 billion humans ever lived ~60 billion since 0 AD.

Let's say since 0 AD, 10% of the average person's lifetime encounters are non-consensual, while the ancient human had 33% non-consensual. These proportions are totally made-up by me.

Anyway, that would give us .33 * 40 + .1 * 60 = 19.2% of all intercouse being non-consensual. It seems like any reasonable estimate would put the number well below 50% just given how many modern people there are.

Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by roflc0ptic on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:32PM (#25768236)
I think if you put the modern norm of affirmative consent on things, this is probably a “true” statement, although much less interesting. Otherwise it seems p hard to substantiate
Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by trianglem on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:34PM (#25768251)
It’s the norm with great apes and what few hunter gatherer societies we can observe. The vast majority of Europe also has male genes from only the Yamnaya implying a massacre of all men and interbreeding with the women. I can’t imagine all of that was consensual.
Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by pengaru on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:37PM (#25768294)
I doubt it, but probably true for the period between paternity and/or virginity emerging as social things that mattered and some quiescent point afterwards.

Go back far enough and my assumption is there's a lot of pleasureful promiscuity going on, just look at bonobos.

Re:What we know sex with Neanderthals was like by trianglem on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @04:39PM (#25768308)
But in the same vein, look at all the great apes besides bonobos. Bonobos are the exception because of the abundance of resources.