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Re:How America Bankrupted its Cities [video] by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @11:15AM (#25748848)
>In Boston we constantly complain about the state of our public transit system

Have you seen the Big Dig? Look at the size of the check we wrote for that one. Now look at the kind of houses all the people who got to work on that project (whether in the office or in the field) in their mid and late careers (when you can make real money rather than be schlepping supplies around a job site for a "you haven't put in your time yet" size check) are living in.

Waste like that is why nobody wants to increase taxes. Pretty much anything more than the bare minimum seems to just slowly evaporate. The money goes poof before it trickles down into programs, infrastructure and services that actually provide benefit to the taxpayer. People would rather ride on a crappy T and pay marginally less tax than pay more tax to ride on a crappy T that has a handful more spots in the org chart for politicians to fill with people who won't show up.

Look at the semi-annual (well, let's be fair and give them credit, it's more like 3yr) state police "fraudulent overtime" scandal. It goes way, way back. Remember when the Probation Department got caught paying salaries to political appointees who didn't show up and didn't have any job duties? Remember when there was that enforcement/compliance arm of the Dept. of Elder Affairs that didn't actually exist like it was supposed to because the money was redirected to pay for more (politically appointed) middle managers who just forwarded emails all day? This is what "raising taxes" looks like in Massachusetts. For every $10 spent you'll be lucky to have a buck actually be used to run a bus, patch a pothole pay for healthcare, etc. etc. It's no surprise that people don't wanna pay for that.

People will pay for public services. Nobody really cares whether the garbage truck driver gets his pay stub on private letterhead or government letterhead. Nobody really cares whether they have public or private EMT services so long as they show up with equal promptness. What people won't pay for is public leeches and Massachusetts has done a very good job cultivating the perception that you can't buy one of the former without getting ten of the latter in the deal. No surprise that people don't wanna take that deal.

Re:How America Bankrupted its Cities [video] by Retric on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @11:54AM (#25749595)
The big dig is likely to be around for 200+ years. It’s exactly the kind of useful government spending everyone wants and nobody wants to pay for.

Could efficiency improve? Yes! But note that waste was private companies padding out the contract not government employees. People want to outsource government functions, blame government when that fails, and use it to justify increased outsourcing. Clearly there is a failure in that logical reasoning.

Re:How America Bankrupted its Cities [video] by SaltyBackendGuy on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @12:05PM (#25749780)
> private companies padding out the contract not government employees

I have no references to back this theory up, but I feel like this is where most of the waste happens.

[Gov spend public money] -> [pay private company]

The government isn't incentivized to get the best deal for our money which results in overpaying or just flat out corruption. eg. I'll overpay my friend's company and they will kick me back some money for choosing their contract.

Re:How America Bankrupted its Cities [video] by zip1234 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @12:13PM (#25749897)
Actually, urban freeways around the world are getting ripped out. They are even looking at doing it to one in Detroit. I would be surprised if the freeways for the big dig are still around in 50 years let alone 200.
Re:How America Bankrupted its Cities [video] by lumost on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @12:21PM (#25750002)
The big dig was one such "rip out" project. An above ground , elevated, urban free way was buried beneath the city.
Re:How America Bankrupted its Cities [video] by zip1234 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @12:50PM (#25750503)
It still goes through the city center with a lot above ground. Definitely better than before though
Re:How America Bankrupted its Cities [video] by lumost on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @12:19PM (#25749976)
I sometimes wonder if the apparent endemic corruption of government in the US is due in part to a miss-perception of how much government employees should be paid. In Singapore and Japan government jobs were often viewed as jobs for the elite. In Massachusetts we pay many government employees less than they'd make doing literally anything else. A biology teacher's pay starts at ~600/week.

Is it that wrong that the people who ran one of the largest infrastructure programs in the US live in nice homes? The project was horrendously over budget and late, but it did do what proponents wanted it to do. Private firms taking over the commuter rail like Keolis don't seem to be achieving any quality or cost benefits.

We may be in a strange situation where fundamentally underpaid workers find ways to game the system to make about what they could in the private sector, would higher wages help eliminate the "wasteful" practices?

Re:How America Bankrupted its Cities [video] by chillacy on Wednesday January 13, 2021 @01:52PM (#25766369)
This is a fact many take for granted: the association between government jobs and inefficiency is not an inherent part of government as much as a reflection of the fact that nobody with options is going to choose a job which pays far less.