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Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by jokethrowaway on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @06:56AM (#25745652)
If they had more people willing to storm the Capitol for the election results they would have gone already.

I don't see how these extremists could benefit from act of violence on private business or citizens.

Despite the deaths, I'm glad this happened, at least we now have example of rioters on both sides.

Maybe the third party will gain the remaining sane people in the USA?

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by eertami on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:02AM (#25745707)
Until the US implements proportional representation, any third party is always going to have an inconsequential amount of votes.
Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by loceng on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:52AM (#25747628)
Along with Andrew Yang's Democracy Dollars to wash out industrial complex lobbying $ with citizen $ by 8:1 ratio, along with Journalism Dollars to take away power from the duopoly and mainstream media to craft and perpetuate just the two main narratives they want, and ideally the Freedom Dividend/UBI to reduce the stress on people.
Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by jokethrowaway on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:11AM (#25745793)
If governments spending keeps increasing, you'll probably reach a point in which it won't be that unrealistic.

There are European states in which government overreach wrecked the economy so much that anti-establishment parties got elected.

You can see trump as one meager step in that direction. I think the natural conclusion, after seeing that things are not changing by voting mainstream parties, is to actually vote someone else.

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by pjc50 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:42AM (#25746060)
> There are European states in which government overreach wrecked the economy so much that anti-establishment parties got elected.

[citation needed]

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by rleigh on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:21AM (#25746427)
You don't need a "citation". Off the top of my head, Greece and Italy. Just read the news regularly. The Euro has devastated the economies of several countries, and the fallout has been slowly building for the last decade. You don't have youth unemployment over 50%, lack of opportunity, lack of investment, and lack of control over your future without it having far-reaching implications. The current state of things doesn't leave much (if any) opportunity for this to be corrected. They are permanently indebted. Exiting the Eurozone and reverting to national currencies is pretty much the only answer to fix their economies.

Italy has a lot of very productive industries. But they can't compete with Germany and other northern European countries while the scales are tipped firmly against them due to their currencies being tied together via the Euro. A freely floating currency would correct that and make Italy a very promising place to invest in and export from.

Greece is a different story, and it is not entirely blameless. It should never have been allowed to join the Euro. But the cause of its economic woes is the same: its currency is tied to stronger economies with which it can't hope to complete, and that economic imbalance has caused complete devastation of its economy.

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by pjc50 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:26AM (#25746489)
I wanted to know who was being considered an anti-establishment party.

> Exiting the Eurozone and reverting to national currencies is pretty much the only answer to fix their economies.

We had this argument in 2008ish and Syriza abandoned the plan, after (correctly) realising that crashing out of the Euro would be worse.

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by rleigh on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:50AM (#25746812)
2008 was 12 years ago. How well has the Italian economy fared in the interim?

It's been stagnant ever since joining the Euro, and nothing material has changed which would improve matters, and I don't see the status quo being tenable. 2008 might not have been the tipping point, but doing something which isn't in the long term interest of people can't continue indefinitely.

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by KaiserPro on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:57AM (#25746916)
> Exiting the Eurozone and reverting to national currencies is pretty much the only answer to fix their economies.

Apart from that would incur tariffs that would be far high than the trade winds exposed by the eurozone.

Having your own currency only really helps when you have a boat load of debt, and you want to inflate your way out of the problem. However that's exceptionally damaging in the medium term, especially if you have unstable leadership.

The fundamentals of italy are difficult to overcome by leaving, or blaming the eurozone. Italy has a rapidly ageing populace, and a drop in fertility. None of that is going to be fixed by leaving the euro.

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by jokethrowaway on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:11AM (#25746332)
Eg. Italy and the v-day (f*k you day against politicians) which turned into the 5 star movement.

It's not a success story, nothing really changed and the party turned into the establishment (they didn't really have a plan), but it shows where people's heart is.

Right and left wing parties in Italy laughed at it at the beginning, nobody thought they would ever win.

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by garmaine on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:11AM (#25745796)
Right now if there was just 1 independent / third-party senator, they would hold all the power.
Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by jen20 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:24AM (#25745905)
Good news! There are two:

- Angus King (Maine),

- Bernie Sanders (Vermont)

Between them, Joe Manchin, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins and Mitt Romney, they definitely do hold all the power right now.

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by jacquesm on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @06:59AM (#25745686)
This was nothing to be glad about, no matter what side you are on.
Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by jokethrowaway on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:05AM (#25745739)
You can find a positive spin for any event, despite how terrible it may be.
Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by splendidHaiku on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:15AM (#25745829)
Overall it had no positive spin - so no. Also there is a difference between "This was nothing to be glad about" and "There was nothing to be glad about".
Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by jokethrowaway on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:21AM (#25746421)
It's all relative.

From where I stand a few deaths are not that important.

The more political parties in the USA taint themselves the greater the chance people will change the status quo.

The USA is one of the few places were people are crazy enough to change things.

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by refurb on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:36AM (#25746004)
Ok. Give me the positive spin on 9/11.
Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by jokethrowaway on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:14AM (#25746360)
This generation realised waging useless wars is not beneficial and it's not a good response to act of terrors.

You can find many, depending on your opinions

Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by refurb on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:57AM (#25746909)
Hmmm... but we did wage two wars based on 9/11. And are still killing people with drones.
Re:Facebook to staff: Avoid company-branded clothing for own... by pyrale on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:14AM (#25746356)
> at least we now have example of rioters on both sides.

There were exemple of rioters on both sides for a long time. What's new is not simply rioters either.