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Re:Two Worlds: So Much Prosperity, So Much Skepticism by jerry1979 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:40AM (#25743975)
Out of curiosity, why would an American worker vote for a democrat? To get a Bronze Plan? To have no seat at the NAFTA table?
Re:Two Worlds: So Much Prosperity, So Much Skepticism by lotsofpulp on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @05:20AM (#25744785)
Considering that before the bronze plan, Republicans offered no plan, I don’t see why not. Additionally, it was Republicans who handicapped the ACA and a public option by pretty much every one of them being ideologically against improvements since any huge increase in healthcare for the people at the bottom would mean huge tax increases.
Re:Two Worlds: So Much Prosperity, So Much Skepticism by jerry1979 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @01:12PM (#25750875)
Republicans did have a plan: Obamacare is essentially the conservative-lite version of healthcare. Take a look at some of the differences between obamacare and a Heritage Foundation conservative dream plan: https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/12/the-aca-v-the-h...

While examining the important differences between the plans in the chart towards the middle of the page, it is important to remember that this is the difference democrats bring to the table in terms of actual lived experiences for working people. The table highlights wonky specifics and continuations of the current system that all look the same in the wash. For working Americans, it is very difficult to see any substantial difference between the two parties. However, there are very large culture differences between the two which conveniently keeps the working class divided.

Re:Two Worlds: So Much Prosperity, So Much Skepticism by lotsofpulp on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @01:18PM (#25751006)
What I meant was the Republicans had control of the legislative and executive branches when Bush was president, but they were not able to pass any legislation that would help people get access to healthcare.

In fact, the only big legislation I recall Republicans passing in my lifetime is lowering taxes for some people and the Patriot Act/Homeland Security nonsense.

Re:Two Worlds: So Much Prosperity, So Much Skepticism by jerry1979 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @02:01PM (#25751669)
That's fair. I mean, democrats were right in there with the state security stuff, with nafta, etc etc. But if people like you and me who low key pay attention to what both parties do can't think of anything substantial about the parties from our lived perspective, then how do you think other people who spend more time paying attention to their own lives feel about the parties?

I do think the parties are good at delivering cultural signals. Neither of us can readily point to substantial policy differences, but we know deeply the cultural difference between truck nuts and vegan lattes, for example. We also know, without being told, the difference between welfare queens and cis white males. I think the parties offer this kind of "satisfaction" for their voters.

Re:Two Worlds: So Much Prosperity, So Much Skepticism by lotsofpulp on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @02:42PM (#25752345)
I agree, but I also take cue from state governments, where Democrats have been able to advance policies I support such as assisted suicide, higher minimum wages, sick leave and parental leave, legal marijuana, etc.
Re:Two Worlds: So Much Prosperity, So Much Skepticism by watwut on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:42AM (#25743992)
I dont know, but workers actually do vote more for democrats then for republicans.
Re:Two Worlds: So Much Prosperity, So Much Skepticism by opsy2 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @11:09AM (#25748750)
Higher minimum wage, workplace protections, sane health care options, child care assistance to name a few.
Re:Two Worlds: So Much Prosperity, So Much Skepticism by imtringued on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:52AM (#25748479)
I'm not deep into American politics but from what I have seen from Trump's policies specifically they are basically massively increasing wealth inequality. It's like he knows what's the worst for the majority and good for the few.

Democrats are at least not outright denying climate change. Investments in green technology could bootstrap an industry for unskilled workers that cannot be offshored to foreign countries. Even if you are not employed by these industries you would still see the general benefits of hitting 2% inflation targets which decreases inequality in the long run.