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Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by roenxi on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:07AM (#25743747)
Their statement is quite interesting - they go rather deep into explaining how they see the situation. But the disconnect between what Trump tweeted vs. what they see bodes poorly for Twitter.

Anyone who lives in a world where

  The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!
can only be intended as a call to violence is not in a calm state of mind. I'm expecting this document is going to be cited a lot more by right-wing commentators than left-wing ones. It is just going to be too hard to sustain that interpretation in hindsight when everyone relaxes and it is obvious that the threat here is similar to all the other protests America has shrugged off in the last however many decades.
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by threatofrain on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:21AM (#25743841)
Even the heads of state for UK, Canada, and Germany have directly attributed blame to the Trump administration, which is diplomatically rare among allies.
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by Majestic121 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:44AM (#25744007)
Heads of states are also blaming Twitter for the ban : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-11/merkel-se...
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by roenxi on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:44PM (#25754258)
That is likely realpolitik calculus - if they say nasty things about Trump they score points with the incoming Democrat administration, score points with the political insiders in Washington and the Republican establishment probably don't care - it being entirely possible that they don't actually like Trump (Republican establishment != right wing voters). It is a pretty safe thing to offer an opinion on from that perspective. They'll make no powerful enemies.

Trump is missing a shield here that most presidents enjoy. International leaders would still say polite things about Bush the Younger despite him doing objective global damage by leading the invasion of multiple countries. My read on why is because they see a risk that people committed to his policy legacy still hold power in the US government.

Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by tptacek on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:11AM (#25743776)
This analysis only makes sense if you discard the context for the tweet.
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by roenxi on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:04AM (#25744156)
People meaning what they said is a really defensible position to argue. Trump is pretty proud of the people who vote for him.

Hypothetically speaking, the tension could die down over the next few weeks and the context could become a single violent protest against the background of BLM. The right wing are not known for competently organising sustained protests. There is a future here where unless something surprising happens Twitter gets a lot of egg on their face for, in a panic, ejecting a sitting president for things that are pretty banal when read literally.

Twitter accepting this risk is not something that bodes well for them.

Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by tzs on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:56AM (#25744094)
The Wall Street Journal had an article [1] laying out how Trump and his allies have been setting the stage for what happened at the Capitol on the 6th.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-his-allies-set-the-st...

Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by jamienicol on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:08AM (#25744194)
Who said anything about "can only"?
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by TwoBit on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:11AM (#25743783)
That's far from all Trump said and did.
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by Erlich_Bachman on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:15AM (#25743810)
So what did he say? Can you please produce a tweet where he incited violence? I only ask because no one including twitter seems to be able to do that? And I have looked... Maybe it's hard to do now that the account is banned... What is this "context" they speak of, where is the hate speech?
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by croon on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:41AM (#25743985)
Here's one account:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-trump-fans-descent-into-the...

"Hey, I need my digital soldiers to show up on January 6".

"We fight like hell".

"And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore".

I also remember something along the lines of it's going to be wild on January 6.

Some of this was live, some on twitter.

The point is that the effect of what you say is what people hear, and these people obviously hear him (and other nationalist thought leaders) speak of a battle for the soul of the country (based on lies).

That is the natural effect of the kind of rhetoric he uses.

Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by ttt0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:47AM (#25744041)
This is a compilation of the opposite side using way more extreme rhetoric that I managed to found within 15 seconds:

https://youtu.be/hgPVkcLBjK8

Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by wonnage on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:56AM (#25744093)
I must've missed the part where anyone was driven to storm the Capitol as a result of this?
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by masonic on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:54AM (#25744566)
Did you somehow miss the May 30-31 attacks on the White House?

Quoting from the Secret Service press release:

"Some demonstrators repeatedly attempted to knock over security barriers, and vandalized six Secret Service vehicles. Between Friday night and Sunday morning, more than 60 Secret Service Uniformed Division Officers and Special Agents sustained multiple injuries from projectiles such as bricks, rocks, bottles, fireworks and other items. Secret Service personnel were also directly physically assaulted as they were kicked, punched, and exposed to bodily fluids. A total of 11 injured employees were transported to a local hospital and treated for non-life threatening injuries.”

And yet they managed to control the scene with no injuries to rioters and only one arrest.

Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by ttt0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:58AM (#25744110)
You surely did miss all those months of rioting, violence in the streets, shootings and burning cities to the ground.
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by wonnage on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:11AM (#25744210)
You equate looting a Target with parading around the Capitol with confederate flags
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by ttt0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:15AM (#25744247)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-sh...

I don't care about Target, they can deal with it. But it ruined lives, some of which were lost, of many normal day to day people that are just like you and me.

Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by wonnage on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:23AM (#25744291)
I find it suspicious that you're continually drawing parallels between BLM protests, which were largely peaceful, with an armed insurrection in an attempt to overthrow an election, so I don't think we're going to get any further with this discussion
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by ttt0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:28AM (#25744344)
Right, largely peaceful.

https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-He...

I happen to be of controversial opinion that the lives of normal people are more important than those of lying politicians, who provoke the violence among the former for their own political gains and profit.

Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by wonnage on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:32AM (#25744381)
Kenosha got violent when Kyle Rittenhouse shot it up
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by ttt0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:36AM (#25744420)
The Kyle Rittenhouse incident was in August and the article I posted was from June, stop making things up.
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by caffeine on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:56AM (#25744095)
That's behind a paywall for me - do they link actual sources of when and where Trump said those specific words?
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by ttt0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:09AM (#25744198)
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-storme...

https://archive.md/PCCIc

Here is his full speech.

> I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by wonnage on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:28AM (#25744341)
He mentioned "peacefully" once in an hourlong rant, don't latch onto it
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by jamienicol on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @04:08AM (#25744183)
Everything he's tweeted since election day has been inciting violence. In fact since much earlier, since he was trying to delegitimise the election long before it happened. If a democratic election has genuinely been stolen then what other choice do the people have? Isn't that the whole point of the second amendment?
Re:Ron Paul locked out of his Facebook page by ttt0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:26AM (#25743867)
There was no hate speech and there were no calls for violence from Trump, quite the opposite. Twitter banned him because he might say something that might be interpreted as such, but of course they didn't care what the act of banning him itself might cause. Because that makes sense.