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Re:Is the Schrödinger Equation True? by lordnacho on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:38PM (#25739795)
Not sure I agree with him. What does something being real mean? It's got to mean that observations are consistent with the description of that something. That's actually all we can do, check that observations aren't disagreeing with what the model said. So if an electron is a tiny little thing that is deflected by a magnetic field, has a certain mass, etc, then it's real insofar as we observe those qualities. In the same way if Santa Claus isn't real, it's because there's issues with the evidence.

This doesn't preclude there being a better model of course. Observations can get more sophisticated, revealing that your model needed adjustment. Or parsimony can drive and someone finds a way to describe multiple phenomena at once, eg electromagnetism.

As for why mathematics is great at describing nature, it's because there's loads of it, since it's an extensible system of logic. Someone somewhere is going to find a way of describing how asteroids go round, and being a kind of logic there's no way you would say it wasn't math, regardless of what exactly it was. Epicycles are math too, despite not being the exact right way to think about it.

Re:Is the Schrödinger Equation True? by millstone on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:52PM (#25741656)
Physical theories often go beyond just predictions, and attempt to specify a correspondence between a formalism and physical reality.

Quarks are an example. Quarks were conceptualized as a mathematical simplification, and only later were recognized as real physical things - or at least as real as protons.

In QM we have physical quantities (an electron's mass) and unphysical quantities (an electron's phase). But there's open questions, like the wavefunction - can that be placed in correspondence with reality? We don't really know. This is the "ontic" vs "epistemic" debate.

Re:Is the Schrödinger Equation True? by lordnacho on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:16AM (#25743816)
But isn't that just the theory happening to be "right"? If you have some thing that describes how nuclear physics works, and it happens to predict a particle that turns out to do what was predicted, that means the particle is real in the sense of being described accurately?

Reminds me of tunnelling. That's one of those "it's weird but the equation should work on the other side of the barrier" situations, lo and behold stuff goes through the barrier.

Re:Is the Schrödinger Equation True? by SiempreViernes on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:07AM (#25745771)
No, the statement is that even within a theory there are things that are considered real and things that are just mathematical constructs that show up and need to be discarded or otherwise managed.

For example in mechanics the coordinate systems being used aren't "real" in a physical sense because you are free to choose things as you wish. But the force you calculate is very much a physical fact, a property of the real world.