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Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by protonimitate on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:10PM (#25737050)
I'm not a lawyer, and at the risk of sounding ignorant, but I don't understand how a Polish law can be enforced on a company/service/piece of hardware under US (presumably, but could be any other) jurisdiction.

At the end of the day, the data is sitting on a piece of hardware somewhere, isn't the "owning" place the one that dictates what laws can be enforced on it?

Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by paxys on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:16PM (#25737173)
It can be enforced in a lot of ways, including fines on the company's operations in the country, charges against local employees and banning the site from the country's ISPs.
Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by anonunivgrad on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:15PM (#25737138)
If you want to do business in a country, then you have to follow the laws of that country. Polish courts would enter judgment against the company for violating Polish law, premising their jurisdiction on the activities of that company within their borders (e.g. accepting payment in polish currency, selling ads to polish businesses, charging for polish views/clicks). They can then seize the company's property in Poland to enforce that judgment. They can also introduce that judgment in foreign courts to do enforcement actions there. Those foreign courts would examine the validity of the Polish judgment (e.g. by reexamining jurisdiction) before issuing orders to enforce it.

There's nothing novel about this. This is how civil judgments are enforced across borders every day.

Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by protonimitate on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:18PM (#25737217)
Makes sense, thanks.
Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by Dma54rhs on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:28PM (#25738449)
Presumably social media companies want to sell ads there and then it's rather easy to pressure them to cooperate or fine them.
Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by dharmab on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:17PM (#25737181)
IANAL but as I understand it, most governments will consider something to be in their jurisdiction if the user is within their jurisdiction, even if the server is not. See GDPR, which applies to all EU citizens globally- even one residing in the United States using US web services.
Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by disabled on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:33PM (#25737516)
GDPR outside the European Union only applies to European Union based companies (headquartered in the EU).

Otherwise, it is limited to internet traffic from people within the European Union.

This rule was unclear in the beginning of the law implement, but there have been high court rulings clearing up the confusion.

See this, for example “Google wins landmark right to be forgotten case”: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49808208

Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by Jon_Lowtek on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:02PM (#25737985)
It is a bit more complicated: the EU considers the protection of personal data a basic human right (charta of fundamental rights article 8). As such there are cases where the EU considers itself to be the responsible authority, even if the company is not within the EU, as long as the data subject is.

There are limits to that due to contract law, but there are also limits how many rights one can sign away, especially when dealing with predatory corporations.

To give a less digital analogue: if you are robbed, your local police is the authority you talk to. They are not going to tell you that you need to find out who robbed you and talk to the police in their home town.

Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by disabled on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:54AM (#25748505)
That’s a great point. Sorry I was not as inclusive as I should have been in my explanation.

I am a dual US|EU citizen, but I am culturally American. I was trying to explain it from the perspective of Americans.

Thank you again for the clarification.

Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by erik_seaberg on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:58PM (#25737920)
Have the EU been able to impose GDPR penalties on an org with no staff or assets and no representation in the EU?
Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by CalRobert on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:12PM (#25737078)
Who mentioned the US?
Re:Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speec... by protonimitate on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:13PM (#25737101)
No one.

> (presumably, but could be any other)