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Re:What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional... by lordnacho on Monday January 11, 2021 @03:21AM (#25726181)
So much this. I actually studied a joint course of Engineering and business, which was supposed to be two thirds of the Engineering course, two thirds of the business course. When you put it together the Engineering was still about two thirds of the total, with the business stuff mainly being simple things that took a long time to read. Everyone thought it was unsubstantiated just-so stories (Betamax, five forces, etc), but the point was to know the stories so you could communicate with business people.

If you look at things that are actually hard, nobody keeps you from getting the info. You're just not going to understand that graduate seminar in ergodic theory, though you're welcome to attend.

The reason they keep you from the info is of course you'll see the naked emperor.

Re:What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional... by oblio on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:12AM (#25726915)
Business is super complicated. It's more complicated than science, because it's not science.

Science is "easy" because we can model it, to a degree.

Non-science is so hard that we can't even model it, it's that complicated. So instead we try to voodoo our way around it, rely on simple heuristics, history, etc.

Re:What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional... by 3pt14159 on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:54AM (#25727223)
Business isn't really all that complicated. It's just opaque and intersects with other things that are complicated, like finance and law.

But the man who invented 1-800-GOT-JUNK and plastered the phone number on the side of every one of his bins was not some better of Richard Feynman. He understood one thing really well: If you solve a problem, have simple messaging, and unabashedly self-promote you will win.

The lawyers, and accountants, and technologists, will all come and help you with the complicated stuff in exchange for a piece of that mountain of cash.

Re:What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional... by toyg on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:14AM (#25728432)
Business is just dependent on thousands of factors that are fundamentally impossible to control. You can model pretty much every factor of it, individually, but you can't model the whole matrix because some parameters are random and wide (earthquakes, pandemics, etc) and some you cannot account for (were you were born and from whom, what education you get and where, who you can befriend, how your brain works, etc etc).

I think one has to differentiate between "complex" and "complicated". Complex stuff requires Big Brains. Business is not complex, all its processes are simple and fairly well-understood; but it is complicated by the interaction of so many factors.

Re:What Silicon Valley gets about engineers that traditional... by ZephyrBlu on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:28AM (#25728008)
I think a more correct statement would be that people are complicated, and therefore business is also complicated.