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Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by throwawaysea on Sunday January 10, 2021 @09:22PM (#25723522)
I don't think it is reasonable - I am just explaining the psychology of how people can get swept up in the fervor of crowds. I am fully in support of arresting all who participated. But my point is that it is not reasonable to conclude that Trump's speech incited people to illegally invade the capitol, commit theft/vandalism, and assault officers. His speech literally had a line saying "peacefully protest". The vast majority of people hearing his speech did not break the law. So how can there be a conclusion that he incited people to break the law? Those who broke the law are independent humans who hold personal responsibility for their actions. Unless Trump explicitly urges them to commit crimes, charging him with incitement is wrong.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by ryandrake on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:00AM (#25724737)
> I am just explaining the psychology of how people can get swept up in the fervor of crowds.

So, “Whoopsie! I accidentally entered the Capitol through that broken window and got peer pressured right into the Senate?”

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by pixl97 on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:06AM (#25724782)
"Oops, I may have committed some light treason"
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by 8note on Monday January 11, 2021 @01:20AM (#25725325)
People do get dumb in mobs, so that could be true
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by redisman on Monday January 11, 2021 @02:31AM (#25725838)
It’s pretty wild that statements like “people do dumb things in mobs” are controversial depending on the prism people are looking through
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by jusssi on Monday January 11, 2021 @03:18AM (#25726159)
Alcohol makes some people aggressive. The right solution, for those people, is to not drink alcohol. And "but I was drunk" is not considered a valid defense.

Maybe the same standard should be applied to people who decide to join a mob, if we're assuming they're not dumb already before joining one.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by amanaplanacanal on Sunday January 10, 2021 @11:19PM (#25724448)
If he does get charged, it will be a jury that decides, after they hear all the evidence. All we know are what we see in the internet.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by rodgerd on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:10AM (#25724820)
Ah, yes, the spontaneously generated pipe bombs, firearms, merchandise (t-shirts, caps, you name it), messages organising weeks before, zip-cuffs, hangman's platform, and spears.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by eganist on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:34AM (#25724987)
It'd be an interesting twist in the simulation if the entities were materialized/determined only when the chest^H^H^H^H^H^H truck was examined.
Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by nelsondev on Sunday January 10, 2021 @11:09PM (#25724360)
On that note, what specifically from Trump’s speech was inciting violence? “March” != “Riot”

This is the section about marching to the Capitol.

“ And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong.

We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. Lawfully slated.

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today, we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections. But whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time. Far longer than this four year period.”

“

Full text of his speech (rambling and painful to read, but there was no advocating for violence: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-storme...

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by mushbino on Sunday January 10, 2021 @11:34PM (#25724567)
Rudy: "Let's have trial by combat" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5FfcbpVLNo

Trump: The entirety of this speech, but specifically the "fight like hell" part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjYh4tIhVi4

Trump: "Be there, it will be wild": https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/capitol-mob-t...

This article covers a lot of it too. It's been stoked for a while: https://fortune.com/2021/01/07/trump-speech-capitol-attack-r...

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by lliamander on Monday January 11, 2021 @12:57AM (#25725151)
All figurative language that politicians (and non-politicians) use all the time.

Joe Biden literally expressed a desire to physically harm the President, and dramatic, ecstatic portrayals of his death have been shared for his entire presidency.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by mushbino on Monday January 11, 2021 @01:08AM (#25725234)
It's looking like there might be a trial in the senate so we'll see if the "figurative language" argument holds up. Trump telling the rioters "I love you" after they stormed the capitol doesn't look too good in that regard.

Comparing what you're saying about democrats and Biden to what the president has been saying for years and all of the talk on facebook, twitter, r/thedonald, Parler, and Gab is being willfully ignorant. The results speak for themselves.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by lliamander on Monday January 11, 2021 @01:37AM (#25725443)
He said "I love you" in order to connect emotionally with the crowd as part of a message to tell them to go home. It's also just how he speaks to his supporters. He's not telling them that his loves them for having stormed the capitol.

You are engaging in the most disingenuous interpretations of his words.

And there is no willful ingorance here. I know the things said by randos on r/thedonald can often be pretty horrendous. There are horrendous randos everywhere. Just look at r/politics.

The things people in power have said about Trump and his supporters is also quite terrible, and the fact that they have power makes it worse.

The ignorance is yours.

Re:YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel by itronitron on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:19AM (#25726559)
Thank you for posting a link to the full text of Trump's speech. Consider this section from the last paragraph...

"the Democrats are hopeless, they are never voting for anything, not even one vote"