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Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by tenaciousDaniel on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:27PM (#25696286)
Where is racism "literally written" into the constitution?

edit: look I know it's bad form on here to complain about being downvoted, but I was asking an honest question. Chill, people.

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by _rend on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:37PM (#25696435)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

The Three-fifths Compromise was a compromise reached among state delegates during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention. Delegates disputed whether and how slaves would be counted when determining a state's total population, as this number would determine a state's number of seats in the House of Representatives and how much it would pay in taxes. The compromise counted three out of every five slaves as people...

In the US Constitution, the Three-fifths Compromise is part of Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3:

    Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons [italics added].[2]
Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by TheCoelacanth on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:51PM (#25696612)
Article I, Section 9, Clause 1 is even more damning I think. Basically saying that importation of slaves must be allowed for at least the first 19 years of the country's existence.

> The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by zepto on Saturday January 09, 2021 @01:52PM (#25703267)
Ok - but that expired a long time ago, and the Civil Rights act was passed in 1964.

Is the complaint that we haven’t erased the slavery related stuff from the record?

What has this got to do with people being racist now?

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by dragonwriter on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:00PM (#25703362)
> the Civil Rights act was passed in 1964.

A Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964.

Civil Rights Acts were also passed in 1866, 1871, 1875, 1957, 1960, 1968, and 1991.

But the passage of a Civil Rights Act is not, in and of itself, an indication of the end of systemic racism.

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by zepto on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:24PM (#25703654)
“But the passage of a Civil Rights Act is not, in and of itself, an indication of the end of systemic racism“

Systemic racism is rampant in every country I have lived in, the US included.

But you are changing the subject.

The question is about why it matters that it was once part of the constitution if it is no longer?

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by sanity31415 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:13PM (#25703511)
What evidence would prove that systemic racism doesn't exist?
Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by buzzerbetrayed on Saturday January 09, 2021 @01:15AM (#25697889)
How is that damning? The alternative was to create the union without the south. Then slavery would have continued much longer in the south. How would it have been better for the north to refuse to compromise? The constitution brought the end of slavery. It didn’t prop it up.
Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by 56quarters on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:33PM (#25696388)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by dragonwriter on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:42PM (#25696507)
Aside from the place mentioned in numerous sibling comments, Article I Sec. 9. Cl. 1 (it's not phrased in racial terms, but it's literally Constitutional protection of the slave trade.)
Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by blackrock on Saturday January 09, 2021 @05:31AM (#25699229)
If you seriously don’t know about this, then the parent poster’s comment about schooling, is completely accurate.

> Our (non-higher) education system in the US is nothing to be proud of and wildly inconsistent at best.

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by nxc18 on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:39PM (#25696458)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

I guess I am conflating the history of slavery in the US with racism.

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by mike00632 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:17AM (#25697438)
Racism was already codified into the American institution of slavery before the revolution.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_United_States

At the time of writing the constitution, slavery was expressly racist.

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by paulus_magnus2 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @05:11AM (#25699110)
Probably putting the comment too deep to be noticed but racism (or xenophobia) has always been there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamestown_Polish_craftsmen#Str...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1619_Jamestown_craftsmen_strik...

The Jamestown craftsmen's strike of 1619 took place in the settlement of Jamestown in the Virginia colony.[1] It was the first documented strike in North America.[2] Skilled craftsmen were sent by the Virginia Company to Jamestown to produce pitch, tar, and turpentine used for shipbuilding.[3] When the colony held its first election in 1619, many settlers were not allowed to vote on the grounds that they were not of English descent, and they went on strike.[2] Due to the importance of the skilled workers in producing valuable naval stores for the colony, company leaders bowed to labor pressure and gave full voting rights to continental workers.[1]

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by TheGRS on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:26AM (#25697525)
You're welcome to look it up before making a flippant question next time.
Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by vzcx on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:41PM (#25696484)
I assume he is talking about the 3/5 compromise.

I wonder if you could tell us, GP, which states wanted that number to be one and which wanted it to be zero?

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by wilsynet on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:52PM (#25696619)
Let’s put this in more context.

Of course slaves weren’t allowed to vote, and 3/5ths meant that the South would get more representation as recognition of the economic strength they were bringing to the union.

It’s not like the Northern vs Southern states were arguing about whether a slave’s vote was worth 0, 3/5, or 1. This was about ascribing more (or less) power to slave owners.

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by jki275 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @09:09AM (#25700482)
No... the 3/5 compromise reduced the power of the south, because it kept them from getting representation for those they refused to allow to vote.

The south wanted 1, the north wanted 0.

The 3/5 compromise was one of the forces that eventually brought about the end of slavery. It didn’t increase the south’s representation, it decreased it.

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by wilsynet on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:03AM (#25712590)
That’s right, the south wanted 1 and the north wanted 0.

What I’m saying is that it “increased” the representation versus 0. Which is equivalent to your formulation that it “decreased” the representation from 1. In other words, 3/5 is more than zero and less than 1. No disagreement here.

My point is that it wasn’t about giving rights to black people, it was an argument about how much representation slave owners would have.

Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by jtdev on Saturday January 09, 2021 @09:41AM (#25700723)
Oh wait... we don’t actually want to learn about history here unless it reinforces our identity politics mindset. Please remember this before posting logical, factual information.
Re:Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store by jki275 on Saturday January 09, 2021 @11:56AM (#25701985)
We live in a totally post fact world. Nobody wants to hear truth, they just make up whatever story they want to believe and pretend that makes it fact.