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Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by blinkingled on Friday January 08, 2021 @08:32PM (#25694754)
Switching to Linux in 2000 for something as busy as Amazon.com was a really ballsy move. I remember fighting kernel panics and hangs under load on RH7 - java workloads. This was pre RMAP VM and I vaguely remember the JVM was able to trigger Linux VM scalability issues due large number of anonymous page mappings.

For all the money they were charging Sun did really put lot of engineering effort into Solaris and SPARC.

Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by bcrl on Friday January 08, 2021 @08:59PM (#25695208)
We (the Linux kernel community) put a lot of work into scalability back then. One time we delayed a Red Hat release several weeks due to a persistent bit flip on an NFS filesystem on one of our stress tests that we thought was a kernel bug. It ultimately turned out to be a broken Cisco switch that was happily fixing up the CRC and checksums on the NFS packets it was bit flipping.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by blinkingled on Friday January 08, 2021 @09:26PM (#25695557)
Of course. Sun was ahead of the curve in OS scalability and SMP hardware departments and for some time Solaris was still the best OS to run databases and Java.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by throw0101a on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:12PM (#25696040)
The SPARCcenter 2000 had 20 sockets in 1992:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun4d#SPARCcenter_2000

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARCstation

The Cray CS6400 had 64 in 1993:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray_CS6400

SunOS 4.1.4 was released in 1994 and SunOS 5.x ("Solaris 2") started in 1992.

Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by h2odragon on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:13AM (#25698251)
The Sparc2k was a beast. I got on in 1998 that (among other tasks) ran the IRC bot for our channel with a 4gb text quotes database to chain off of. ("Shut up, lucy"). It usually ran at a load average of 4 to 12 per CPU. I had just over 1TB of disk array on it; in 4 dozen, full height, 5 inch 23GB SCSI drives.

I sank about $10k into that system in ebay parts. at the time there just wasn't any way to get such bandwidth out of x86, but used gear was cheap. if you could afford the time, sweat and blood to keep it running.

Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by bcrl on Friday January 08, 2021 @09:35PM (#25695655)
Sun also made some pretty awesome x86 servers. It's sad that so many of the vendors left standing today have such crappy IPMI implementations.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by Bluecobra on Friday January 08, 2021 @09:55PM (#25695835)
I used to work at a shop that had hundreds of X4100's running x86 Solaris 10. It was a pleasure to work those hosts. Solaris had some really cool stuff like ZFS, dtrace, Zones/Containers, SMF, etc.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by yetanotherme on Saturday January 09, 2021 @07:14AM (#25699729)
And now you read the release notes with dread as you witness more and more functionality being dropped because they choose not to maintain it. Luckily there is FreeBSD
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by Bluecobra on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:28PM (#25702295)
Yeah it’s a shame. If Sun would have made Solaris (both SPARC/x86) free sooner, they might have prevented the mass exodus of companies moving off to save money.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by jabl on Saturday January 09, 2021 @05:02PM (#25705322)
In retrospect, they should have gone down the Sun386I path back in the day, instead of changing gears and spending $$$ building up the SPARC architecture and ecosystem.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by 205guy on Friday January 08, 2021 @09:13PM (#25695429)
I remember reading Sun’s financial statements at the time and bragging about huge 50% margins and thinking that can’t last. In some alternate timeline, Sun would’ve lowered their prices, stayed in the game, and we’d all have rock solid Sparc laptops by now.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by projektfu on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:08PM (#25703464)
I remember looking at the invoice for a SPARCStation 20 and thinking, you know, it's a little better than a $2,000 PC, but it's not 10 times better.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by tempfs on Friday January 08, 2021 @09:43PM (#25695738)
Yeah, no way to survive in the computing game very long with super high margins.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/profit-...

Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by yyyk on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:38PM (#25696451)
Sun didn't have Jobs's Reality Distortion Field technology. It can't work otherwise.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by danielscrubs on Saturday January 09, 2021 @02:44AM (#25698443)
Oh but Sun did. It’s what made them rich and it wasn’t pretty.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by giovannibonetti on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:12PM (#25696042)
What about Apple?
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by blackrock on Friday January 08, 2021 @09:45PM (#25695751)
“We’re the dot in dotcom.“

Well, they ended up as the .loser instead.

Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by badocr on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:26AM (#25697527)
That was Cisco slogan.
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by blihp on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:45AM (#25697681)
Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by blackrock on Saturday January 09, 2021 @12:50AM (#25697732)
That was terrible.

Thanks for the LOLs.

Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by DonHopkins on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:46PM (#25696554)
Sun: "We put the dot into dot-com!"

Microsoft: "Oh yeah? Well we put the COM into dot-com. Pthththth!"

IBM: ”When they put the dot into dot-com, they forgot how they were going to connect the dots. Badoom psssh!”

https://www.itbusiness.ca/news/ibm-brings-on-demand-computin...

Re:When Amazon Switched from Sun to Linux by kev009 on Friday January 08, 2021 @09:22PM (#25695524)
If you read the other DE respond in the tweets, it was DEC/Compaq Alphas. I think it's kind of insane to have gone from 64b back to 32b (and the DE claims it caused big issues). Seems like API alphas running Linux would have been a better play until Opteron made it clear amd64 had a lot of runway.