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Re:Tether price manipulation by vorpalhex on Friday January 08, 2021 @12:59PM (#25687573)
> The killer app is decentralized, permissionless, open source, and censorship resistant network.

Yes, but what can I do with that other than toot/tweet/twit at other people and buy LSD tabs?

Re:Tether price manipulation by damon_c on Friday January 08, 2021 @01:15PM (#25687769)
Here are a few projects that use Ethereum to do things that have nothing to do with acquiring chemicals or crypto asset speculation.

https://www.nucypher.com https://filecoin.io https://alice.si https://www.augur.net

Re:Tether price manipulation by gamblor956 on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:46PM (#25689348)
I can do all that right now without inserting a power-wasting cryptocoin layer.
Re:Tether price manipulation by doggosphere on Friday January 08, 2021 @03:54PM (#25690360)
Go ahead subscribe to Pornhub with your credit card. Or donate to Wikileaks with your paypal.
Re:Tether price manipulation by gamblor956 on Friday January 08, 2021 @08:08PM (#25694180)
Why would I pay for Porn? But on that note, the PH website still accepts several types of credit cards.

Whatever Wikileaks originally was, it is now a Russian propaganda tool. Go ahead and try to post leaks critical of Russia on Wikileaks, or for that matter, of Donald Trump. Why would I want to donate to a website that is openly seeking the destruction of my country?

Re:Tether price manipulation by doggosphere on Friday January 08, 2021 @01:05PM (#25687646)
With Bitcoin you own property that can never be confiscated or debased by any government.

With IPFS you can host and access files that can't be censored. (same level of censorship resistance as torrents)

With Monero you can transact free from surveillance.

The biggest applications on Ethereum right now is decentralized finance, with billions of dollars locked in.

Re:Tether price manipulation by schmichael on Friday January 08, 2021 @01:17PM (#25687787)
> With Bitcoin you own property that can never be confiscated or debased by any government.

Private keys can be confiscated like anything else. They won't do you much good if you're thrown in prison for not turning them over if legally compelled. Sure you can try to hide your ownership, but my point is that actual cryptocurrencies are only one layer of very deep opsec you need to resist state actors. For the common illegal goods consumer it's unlikely to do much more than provide a false sense of security due to other opsec failures (use of phones, use of cookies, use of mailing addresses, use of non-e2e chat, using a hosted wallet, lack of anonymous vpn, etc etc etc).

> The biggest applications on Ethereum right now is decentralized finance, with billions of dollars locked in.

Interesting use of "dollars." How much is actually Tether? How much is manipulated market cap (through wash trading or more convoluted defi mechanisms)? How much is actually liquid USD?

Re:Tether price manipulation by doggosphere on Friday January 08, 2021 @01:25PM (#25687890)
A wrench attack will always be the easiest vector. That said, there is no other asset in history that gives you this level of security for such marginal cost. The cost of securing $100 is essentially the same as the cost of securing $100m.
Re:Tether price manipulation by ProZsolt on Friday January 08, 2021 @04:42PM (#25690884)
The chances of loosing $100 is essentially the same as the chances of loosing $100m. If you loose your private key nobody can help you recover your money.
Re:Tether price manipulation by doggosphere on Friday January 08, 2021 @04:57PM (#25691055)
I would hope that someone with $100m in crypto is smart enough to not leave their seed words on a piece of paper on their coffee table.

Your exactly correct that nobody can help you recover your money if you lose your keys.

Re:Tether price manipulation by corrys on Friday January 08, 2021 @01:12PM (#25687740)
Bitcoins have been confiscated by many governments. A quick Google search reveals many instances of that.
Re:Tether price manipulation by doggosphere on Friday January 08, 2021 @01:18PM (#25687800)
Lets clarify semantics.

Can the government seize Bitcoin directly? No.

Can the government seize your bank account directly? Yes.

Can they threaten you with jail if you don't hand over your Bitcoin? Yes

Re:Tether price manipulation by gamblor956 on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:48PM (#25689377)
Can the government seize Bitcoin directly? No.

Yes, it can. The U.S. government has in fact seized Bitcoin directly and sold it at auction several times. It is arguably the single largest non-exchange seller of Bitcoin in Bitcoin's history.

Re:Tether price manipulation by doggosphere on Friday January 08, 2021 @03:19PM (#25689870)
It can only be taken in these events:

1) Seed phrases are discovered (ie. plaintext document or physical artifact).

2) Seed phrases are handed over by willing party.

If #1 doesn't exist, then #2 is the only option.

Re:Tether price manipulation by gamblor956 on Friday January 08, 2021 @08:06PM (#25694111)
This is the same as with cash money.

Money can only be seized if the safe is found. And the combination is handed over by a willing party.

The difference is that money is actually more secure because you don't have a public ledger telling you that it exists and who owns it and how much of it they own as you do with the public cryptos like Bitcoin and Ethereum.

Re:Tether price manipulation by doggosphere on Saturday January 09, 2021 @11:53AM (#25701953)
Cash needs to be accessible to be useful.

Crypto is magnitudes more accessible. I can travel to any country in the world with an encrypted usb drive of my seed words, and no one is wiser. OR even upload a file to the internet and forego carrying anything at all. A government can try to censor transactions belonging to an address, but we don't have good precedent to see how the network will behave. Miners in other jurisdictions have no reason to follow someone else's censorship.

Re:Tether price manipulation by microtherion on Friday January 08, 2021 @06:02PM (#25691650)
> Can the government seize Bitcoin directly? No.

A government could seize miners, and given that ~50% of the world's Bitcoin mining capacity appears to be located in one country, that might give them considerable leeway to rewrite the blockchain to their liking.

Re:Tether price manipulation by doggosphere on Friday January 08, 2021 @06:43PM (#25692452)
Yes. The solution to this is a software fork.
Re:Tether price manipulation by microtherion on Friday January 08, 2021 @07:00PM (#25692802)
Did you mean "soft fork", or are you thinking of a different concept I'm not familiar with?

Forks can and have been used to deal with isolated malicious incidents, but do you think they can be successful against an actor in extended control of a substantial part of the hash rate?

Re:Tether price manipulation by doggosphere on Friday January 08, 2021 @09:06PM (#25695331)
You can alter the hashing algorithm to one that is more ASIC resistant. Monero did this.
Re:Tether price manipulation by mdoms on Friday January 08, 2021 @01:39PM (#25688114)
> With Bitcoin you own property that can never be confiscated or debased by any government.

So the killer app for bitcoin is owning bitcoin?